Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-02-2013 | 10:36 AM
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Give him his celebration. When our union actually stands up to the company to abide by a part of the contract without negotiating an alternative solution that's a victory. Kind of like when I expect kudos from my captain for putting the gear handle in the down position.
12-02-2013 | 10:37 AM
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12-02-2013 | 10:39 AM
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I'll play devil's advocate Timbo (and I average one GS every four years). As a commuter, don't you spend more time away from family just to support the commute than many in-base guys do who fly the occasional GS?
I'm not criticizing commuting (I used to myself and may again)--only that there are gray areas everywhere.
I'm not criticizing commuting (I used to myself and may again)--only that there are gray areas everywhere.
When they closed BOS and MIA, I wanted to move to the ATL so I wouldn't have to commute, but my WIFE wanted to move nearer to her family in Florida, so her mom could help her raise our 4 kids when I was on trips.
So, you could say, the very reason I commute is so my wife can spend more time with HER family. That keeps her happy, and as every married guy knows, if Mamma ain't happy, NOBODY's happy!
It's a benefit to me, that I can sail year round down here, that was the real selling point for me being a commuter.
12-02-2013 | 10:40 AM
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You mean like capitalizing on an opportunity to increase our Asia-Pacific scope? You're right. They did do that. They improved on what we previously had.
12-02-2013 | 10:42 AM
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As to your other examples they were so specific you left me completely unarmed.
12-02-2013 | 10:44 AM
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They could negotiate lower pay for you in 2016 in return for only a 50% cut in profit sharing and you'd call it an improvement.
12-02-2013 | 11:23 AM
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My understanding is the category for the MD-88 guys was so low they are putting pilots who bid the 88 onto the category list even though they have not gotten their training yet. So the category is technically staffed to min level required, but the real-world (can actually be on reserve or hold a line) staffing is not. The new 88 pilots are out of their old category and are getting paid to wait around for their training.
12-02-2013 | 11:26 AM
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It had been more than our contractually allowed 15 days between my Sick call my Well call. Not 15 days of flying mind you, but 15 calandar days between sick and well. Only because I forgot to call in well until the day before my next trip.
About about 24 hours after I did call in well, I got a phone call from the ATL CPO, telling me that per the Contract, I would need to provide a Doctor's Note, since I was out sick for more than 15 days. If I had remembered about the requirement to provide a note, I could have called in well a couple days earlier and stayed below the 15 day limit.
So, all you Sicko's out there, be sure to mark your calandar the day you call in sick, then count forward 15 days, and mark that day. If you don't call in well prior to that day, you WILL get a call and you must provide a Doctor's Note. And there is a link on the DLNET page for you to print out the Sick Form they want you to have filled out by your doctor, so print it BEFORE you go see the doctor.
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12-02-2013 | 11:34 AM
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There is no "victory dance" asserted on my part here--nor did DALPA "win" anything, except perhaps to have the foresight in negotiations--which contrary to the keyboard commando mentality, actually require a lot of work and research on the part of many people--to require a documentable and unimpeachable min PBS staffing formula.
As for the PRP/ROPE issue, I'm not sure what your problem is. All PRPs were put at the bottom of their respective category, and we only agreed to the program in the first place to prevent the company from absolutely melting down due to the snowball effect of massive simultaneous early retirements. In fact that is exactly why I respect our DALPA leadership. They actually made a tough call (again, something never required of posters in forum-land) and ensured that there were a lot of protections in place to prevent the lesser of two evils from being anything other than what it was, which was a stopgap truly emergency procedure in an unprecedented and almost assuredly never-to-be-repeated scenario.
In any case that was 8 years ago. I prefer to focus on the present, while learning from the past. I hate to tell this to you, but if we had a crystal ball, I am certain that on that one issue at least (but perhaps not others) ALPA did the absolute right thing and in fact would do it again (not so much for LOA 51).
As for the PRP/ROPE issue, I'm not sure what your problem is. All PRPs were put at the bottom of their respective category, and we only agreed to the program in the first place to prevent the company from absolutely melting down due to the snowball effect of massive simultaneous early retirements. In fact that is exactly why I respect our DALPA leadership. They actually made a tough call (again, something never required of posters in forum-land) and ensured that there were a lot of protections in place to prevent the lesser of two evils from being anything other than what it was, which was a stopgap truly emergency procedure in an unprecedented and almost assuredly never-to-be-repeated scenario.
In any case that was 8 years ago. I prefer to focus on the present, while learning from the past. I hate to tell this to you, but if we had a crystal ball, I am certain that on that one issue at least (but perhaps not others) ALPA did the absolute right thing and in fact would do it again (not so much for LOA 51).
You ignored my questions. I'm not trying to be a smart a**, but if there's "leverage" that I'm not seeing here, I'd like to hear about it. And then let's use it again and again.
1. Do you honestly think DALPA forced management's hand here?
2. Please tell me what leverage they used?
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the PRP/ROPE issue. If DAL gets behind the ball on keeping up with hiring/attrition, we could be in the same position again. You say it was the "absolute right thing" to do. I say it was the absolute wrong thing as it sets a bad precedent.
12-02-2013 | 11:37 AM
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Here's more info on what is driving the CPO to call you sick puppies...
Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!
The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).
Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.
The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."
So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.
Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!
The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).
Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.
The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."
So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.
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