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Originally Posted by Beer Man (Post 1542637)

I agree with this and I think your explanation is an expanded version of what the union put out last week via email. I wonder why the union just didn't put this exact information out and lay it out for us? If you know who wants to try to negotiate publicly, why doesn't the union come out and just say "hey guys, guess what if you are on reserve in January, good news for you...." As someone stated a couple pages ago, some guys will read the flight ops letter and think well okay I will comply, but the true leverage here lies in unity and understanding the conflict between the PWA and FAR's. Would a letter to the effect of johnso's explanation be illegal or just not constructive?

^^^^^^^^ This!!! ^^^^^^

Information is power.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1542693)

When I called yesterday they were not aware, yet, that 30 in 7 had gone away. Hopefully the computer software has been updated allowing us to pick up plenty of greenslips, because that's where I think this is headed, at least during the transition.

Based on the fact the computers created lines that don't adhere to 30/7 I'm guessing you'll be safe with GSs if the programer was as knowledgeable and exacting in that area as he was on the monthly line construction.

It's no surprise the schedulers don't know the new rules--many of them didn't know the rules before FAR 117; they just did what the computer told them to do.

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1542709)

I strongly recommend downloading both the ALPA 117 app and the "Guide to 117" from the ALPA website. They do a terrific job deciphering the regs with Q&A's.

Yep. Our volunteers put a lot of work into excellent publications and just as you and Sailing have suggested, read 'em.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1542706)

That is why ALPA and Delta need to start working together to fix some of the holes in our contract (both on the Pilot's and the Company's side) or else we're not going to be seeing much of our homes. (14 days off and 72 hours is my line for next month :mad: )

The issue was rest & duty time. Efficiency wasn't a consideration. Hope you sleep well in hotel rooms.

But think about how much more Rested you'll feel!

Y.G.T.B.S.M!

Somehow 117 has us laying over in NRT for 48 hours, after/before short 4 pilot, 12hr. legs, yet we can still fly LAX-Sydney or ATL-Dubai, 15 hour legs, with only 24 hr. layovers??

W. T. F??

It seems like there was no common sense applied to this thing at all!

All the 777 guys I've spoken with about the 48hr.s in NRT are in agreement, it's just going to fk us up more, body clock wise! We'll get acclimated to Tokyo time, just in time to leave and fly an all-nighter to Singapore, and then do it again, back to MSP.

All because some nitwit who shouldn't have been allowed in a cockpit, couldn't fly a stall recovery! Un-Be-Fkng-Lieveable.

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Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1542617)

Agreed. Guys have to be willing to press to test this issue and not acknowledge trips at the 10 hour prior point. I respectfully disagree with Gloopy that we are legally obligated to do so. Let the company feel the pain of 117. I will even say we should be ready to pay an assessment for the affected pilots if they do have money withheld from the company.

I have engaged my reps and told them I willing to put up the ****ty schedules and the threats from SD. I am willing because we can't give in on this, this is our leverage. I have been told that DALPA understands this and the reps have their marching orders.

In fact I heard from a jumpseater that SD walked in for some negotiations last week and MD told him to, my words, pound sand. If they weren't ready to really negotiate then don't waste our time.

Absolutely. Our leverage will evaporate instantaneously if most folks put themselves on a two-hour leash and bail out the company.

We need to inform our reserve buddies of this issue. The APC crowd is more informed than your average bear, and there are a ton of guys out there who are absolutely clueless.

Along those lines, as Deadhead and others have said, there will be hostages. If you decide not to acknowledge until within 10 hours, do not pull up iCrew for any reason unless you intend to acknowle. After you get the phone message from skeds, don't update icrew mobile or "cheat" by looking at "daily trip coverage." The company can see exactly when you log onto DBMS, and you may have to answer the mail if they can make a case that you slow-roll the acknowledgment.

The company will make this tough. The "crew auto notification" system will be working overtime. Calls/texts/emails will go out every five minutes to browbeat guys into acknowledging.
A couple of options for not getting disturbed in the middle of the night (or middle of the day--ringmaster is so 1997:D):
-Google Voice (free). You can create a rule to send Delta auto-notification calls straight to volice mail. PM me and I can walk you through it.
- iPhone Do Not Disturb. You can set it so your "favorites" ring even if it's on; I will add and remove Delta Scheduling from my favorites based on whether I'm contactable.
-Don't answer when skeds call

Summary:
Tell your buddies
Don't access DBMS until you're ready to acknowledge
Don't answer the phone when Delta calls

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Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 1542698)

ygtbsm.......so with these new rules, I can now be scheduled for 7 days on, with standard rest overnights, and fly over 36 hours in said period? And this is better? And with 16 hours in domicile between trips. Commuter special.

You have to have 30 hours off free from all duty within 168 consecutive hours prior to a FDP.

Assuming that your 30 hours rest was at the front end of a 168 hour period, you have 138 hours of "available" space for a FDP or short call before you have to be released into 30 hours of rest again.

That's about 5 3/4 days of duty in a 7 day rolling period.

Nu

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1542330)

^^^ We will never fly F-15s at mainline.

That's because our scope doesn't cover jets with tailhooks that land on boats. That one has a bigger fin on it so I think its the -800 version which would be covered.

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Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1542617)

Guys have to be willing to press to test this issue and not acknowledge trips at the 10 hour prior point. I respectfully disagree with Gloopy that we are legally obligated to do so.

Maybe you have me confused with someone else. Long callis now effectively 19 hours...or…we can stick to the 3 hour notification and auto-drop 100% of every trip a LC RSV gets. That's the contract as of now.

The 2 hour rolling leash memo is pure fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1542506)

Jack
You are correct sir.

Scoop your characterization of our pea rules as now being "illegal" is incorrect and a misuse of the word. It is merely in conflict with the cheapest company-desired resolution.

^This. There is nothing illegal about not acknowledging a trip until 3 hours prior. Yes, that would make you illegal for that trip…but only if you actually did the trip without another 10 hours off, which the company admits it will not and cannot do. So our CBA langauge as it stands is still 100% legal and remains in force and is not "superceeded by federal law" one bit.

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1542659)

They can throw an additional 10-15% to start;)

I like where your head's at

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/i...Office_240.jpg

but 100% of whatever we gain from this needs to go towards reserve work rules and QOL and if there's anything left over, scope recapture though I think we all know that's not on anyone's radar at the moment.