No you can not. Per FAR 117 you need:

30 Consecutive hours free from all duty within the 168 consecutive
hour period prior to beginning an FDP or starting short call.

168 is basically a 7 day week. The 30 hour period can be at the front end of a trip but I don't see how this is possible with a 4 day trip followed by a 3 day trip. That situation would be possible only with two 3 day trips.

Unless there is something unusual going on with deadheads or possible a warp in the space time continuum, you need a 30 hour break in there somewhere.

See the bulletin the company e-mailed out today.

I would definitely take a good long look at it before flying it as you have described.

Scoop

I didn't realize that WSC was a legally binding document - I thought that it just served to help explain the scheduling provisions of our contract. From what I can find, the 9 hour leash is NOT codified in the PWA, it's IMPLIED as a MINIMUM leash thanks to the 3 hour prior acknowledgment requirement. As an example - let's say I'm on long call, and I noticed that I missed a call from scheduling so I use my iCrewMax app to unofficially check my schedule. And let's say that I notice, unofficially, that they have assigned a trip that reports 24 hours from now. I now have 21 hours before I have to officially acknowledge the assignment, not 9. Correct?

We should be pushing for higher trip rigs. If they want us to cool our heels in a hotel because of 117, fine. Pay me. 14 days off should equate to 85 hours a month, not 72. I think with the leverage we have now, we should apply pressure to increase the pay per duty period, not **** it away on some commuter friendly reserve scheme.

Timbo, I agree, this is the pilots version of Obamacare

I fly the last 4 days of Dec and the first 4 days of Jan - back to back 4 day trips. Over 41 hours of block during that stretch. But hey, I have about 31 hours off between trips so I'm sure I won't be fatigued at all :rolleyes:

To answer your question - yes, there is no longer a weekly block limit. You can fly well above 30 hours in a 7 day period. Heck, you can fly 54 hours in 6 days if you like (6 days x 9 hours block per day - but you would have to fit all that flying into 60 hours of total duty, or less. So not really feasible, but you get the point). For your example - How many total hours is it from report on day 1 to release on day 7? If it's under 138 you're good to go. You need to have 30 hours off in a rolling 168 hour period.

This FAR 117 is completely different than the Flight and Duty stuff we've been used to for well, forever. Although boring, I think we should all actually read what ALPA and the company puts out. It's unlikely the guy sitting next to you on next few trips is going to know any more than you or I do.

While the company probably isn't going to knowingly violate you, with new types of limits and different wording for similar limits, we all gotta be careful. Especially with rerouter, WS or GS. And that's not even going into the reserves...

At least one poster here has a schedule that seems to give him a violation unless something changes or there's something we don't know about his trips (the guy with a 4 day and a 3 day).

So, I know what I'm going to be reading... <sigh>

There is a 117 App on the Apple store, from ALPA. I haven't used it, but it's something...

BUT...what if...you have a 30+ hr. layover during your first four day trip, say on day 2-3, then you roll right into a three day trip as soon as you get home?

OUCH!:eek:

It was changed about a year ago, if the days inside the current bid period (Jan) have reserves avail, it now assumes that you also have reserves for Feb and allows the changes. There might be some caveats I can't remember, but I've used it before to drop carryouts.

Thats right. Hey Timbo, have you met Delta's new scheduling supervisor, Ben?

Yep, you guessed it, Ben Dover! :eek:

Scoop :D