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01-05-2014, 08:12 PM
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This is a really good write-up covering some of the highlights. The only thing that I'd add is that the 17 hours you refer to is reduced by 30 minutes to 16.5 if you are not acclimated.
Also, go to the main ALPA page and click on the 117 "Resource Library." Click on Part 117 Quick Reference - THIS is a good 3 page cheat sheet that covers a lot of the more commonly asked questions. Print it out and take it with you!
Good luck. It's been a helluva first 5 days under 117
Also, go to the main ALPA page and click on the 117 "Resource Library." Click on Part 117 Quick Reference - THIS is a good 3 page cheat sheet that covers a lot of the more commonly asked questions. Print it out and take it with you!
Good luck. It's been a helluva first 5 days under 117
Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
Oui Msr. Crane,
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
01-05-2014, 08:45 PM
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I am on reserve in ATL. They cancelled our flight and overnight putting me in ATL tonight. I understand there are no in domicile overnights for reserves so my question is what happens now to the rest of my trip? What if the rest of my trip is in less than 12 hours? Also, with the new rest rules do I need 10 hours prior to accepting the rest of my trip? Thanks!
01-05-2014, 09:08 PM
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01-05-2014, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
Oui Msr. Crane,
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
Awesome post! And thanks! I, personally, will normally go to the max that I can. That being said, if I have an FO who is not willing, I believe in the "crew concept." If one of us isn't good with it then none of us are. Kind of like how I look at mechanicals too.
Thanks again,
Denny
01-06-2014, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobman80
I am on reserve in ATL. They cancelled our flight and overnight putting me in ATL tonight. I understand there are no in domicile overnights for reserves so my question is what happens now to the rest of my trip? What if the rest of my trip is in less than 12 hours? Also, with the new rest rules do I need 10 hours prior to accepting the rest of my trip? Thanks!
01-06-2014, 12:15 AM
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You should be released, and given 12 hours off. The rest of your trip week be dropped into open time and someone else will cover it, unless you happen to be next in line in the buckets then it might get assigned to you again.
Originally Posted by Bobman80
I am on reserve in ATL. They cancelled our flight and overnight putting me in ATL tonight. I understand there are no in domicile overnights for reserves so my question is what happens now to the rest of my trip? What if the rest of my trip is in less than 12 hours? Also, with the new rest rules do I need 10 hours prior to accepting the rest of my trip? Thanks!
01-06-2014, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 8 Cherry Garcia
Oui Msr. Crane,
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
The short answer is you have the table figured out correctly. You can walk at 17 hrs, you must walk at 19 hrs.
gotchas:
-Make sure you have the Class 1 Rest facility...they vary by fleet and even tail number within fleets, and MEL's can change those too...Class 1's are an endangered species on the 330
-FDP for FAR 117 is original Report to block in...the :30 after is PWA
-the LATT's on the flight plan addendum (all the way at the bottom) will show the can/must take off times. don't take off past the second one.
-3 man Flight time is limited by FAR to 13 hrs....if you have a lengthy taxi out...check it!
-If they call you anytime to push back your report, push or take-off....call your union.
-Signing the release just gives them the actual piece of paper to extend..you can literally call the dispatcher as you sign it telling him "no extensions"...or you can wait until 1 minute before the 17 hrs....or you can go 15 mins into the 17 hrs and call it...point is it can be modified at any time by the PIC...repeat....it can be modified at any time by the PIC. Anytime.>
Do not do public math...let the guys with computers do it. Call your union if you have any questions. Fly safe.
8
01-06-2014, 05:23 AM
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Is anybody else noticing that our LATT's are unrealistic? They assume flying max speed in the middle of the night with zero traffic landing and taking off in the most beneficial direction. Whatever the time is, My personal max extension is now 30 prior to LATT on paperwork. Usually that is contractual minimum anyway with the 30 minutes after block not counting towards FARs.
01-06-2014, 08:23 AM
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Does sick time count towards the GS trigger?
01-06-2014, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by roadrunner65
Does sick time count towards the GS trigger?
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