sailingfun, how many active pilots on the seniority list right now? How many do you see on the list by the end of 2014, 2015 and 2016 respectively?

I asked about displacements on the ER after the summer at the ATL Profit Sharing/Pilot Meeting and was assured that there WILL be displacements. I wish it were not true because it will affect me (I am sure to be displaced after the summer after being reinstated in the last AE), but that is the word from on high. Take that for what it's worth before you bid to the ER in this AE, especially if you are junior.

I don't know exactly how many are on the list now. We will however be adding just over 100 airframes over your time span so i would expect 1200 to 1400 additional pilots.

So the Company deliberately awarded pilots positions on the previous AE that won't even go to training until after summer, and now the current AE is going to award even more 7ER slots that wouldn't train until late fall?

They are going to waste usable line pilots that they really NEED on the narrowbody fleet now just to fill seats that they will empty before they even get online to generate revenue?

So are you saying the same Company that delayed hiring just to squeeze an extra million out of 2103 Q1 profit is going to waste hundreds of thousands (maybe a million?) just to displace?

That math doesn't work.

I hope DALPA holds out for a solid agreement, I could get used to a green slip every month.

How big is Alaskan?

It looks like APC is showing 11,723 active pilots (not sure how accurate that is). So with 1400 more bodies on the property that would be 13,123. Delta Air Lines | AirlinePilotCentral.com

Ok.

We also have 18 787s commitments in our SEC filings, is Delta not allowed to cancel those or because they put it in an SEC filing they're obligated to take those jets?

Showing 1472 here. Alaska Airlines | AirlinePilotCentral.com

The number is close to accurate but a little higher than the last published seniority list which pegged it at 11,620.

About 900-1,000 or so don't actively get awarded a line or sit reserve whether it is because they're out on sick leave, military leave, instructor pilots or supervisors.

So about 10,500-10,600ish "fly the line" every month. Over the past year that number had a net increase of about 51 guys, a net increase in jets of about 11 from 2013. The totals show 717 jets in January of last year and 740 now, minus the 9s.

I know sailing mentions 400 new Captains I guess in the past year or so, it's 170 because of the net change. We had a net loss in WB Captains but a gain in NB Captains funded by both the WB Captain and FOs.

As to 800 aircraft... what are they for? I remember RA was adamant about not getting more 90s until we had a reason to get them, so if we are indeed going by 120-130 jets to around 840? where they going? I mean DCI is shrinking approx 5,500 seats and we're going to grow by 15,000 or 12% over the next 4 years or 2% system wide YOY?

Bring it on.... but I'll believe it when I see it. There's no such thing as a growth jet until you can look back and verify it was a growth jet. If the economy stumbles they're going to have so much margin to cut mainline with out BH ratios and I'm not buying the economy is going to allow that kind of organic growth.



I think this has a lot to do with celebrating TA2012, because it ignores our business model unless we're going to take over SEA. That'd be cool. Then we of course could just merge with Alaska, and not need to grow at all, possibly... say it with me... shrink.