Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-03-2014 | 05:31 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
Absolutely. The classic 737 flying was renown as some of the best in the system, until the RJs came and we parked them and furloughed pilots, simultaneously destroying a great product and alienating our customer base and laying off station employees with 30 years of dedicated service... what's the time to upgrade in SLC now? A quarter century to be the plug on a narrowbody? THIS was far more devastating to our careers than losing the pension.
03-03-2014 | 05:40 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week
)Here's the typical
07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700
08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG
REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR
03-03-2014 | 05:49 AM
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From: DAL FO
Slowplay likes to go on about how Delta could not afford to pay RJ drivers "Delta" pay. Actually, perhaps the inverse is true. Among the trips we can hold.
2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week )
Here's the typical
07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700
08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG
REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR
2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week
)Here's the typical
07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700
08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG
REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR
I'm not saying 13.30 is good enough for a 3 day, but when I did UIO (as I know you did too) it was only slightly more than 10:30 due to the segment times. That was totally unacceptable and a large reason that UIO, and a lot of the west coast 3 day "turns" are/were always in open time.
ADG has helped immensely, making those trips pay 20-30% more. Now that we started down that road, ADG needs to be brought up to 5:30 or 6, get rid of Duty Period Avg altogether. That would go a long way towards more $/days worked as well as requiring more pilots IMO...
03-03-2014 | 05:51 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
Slowplay likes to go on about how Delta could not afford to pay RJ drivers "Delta" pay. Actually, perhaps the inverse is true. Among the trips we can hold.
2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week )
Here's the typical
07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700
08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG
REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR
2 days are nearly always 10:30
3 days, 13:30
4 days, 21:00 (I've got an 18 hour 4 day next week
)Here's the typical
07 673 ATL 1735 UIO 2258 5.23 700
08 1560 UIO 2340 ATL 0557 5.17
5.17B
5.17TL
2.50ADG
REGULAR- 13.30TL 10.40BL 2.50CR
03-03-2014 | 05:51 AM
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I did call scheduling and she said it was a mistake, I'm still skeptical.
03-03-2014 | 05:55 AM
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Absolutely. The classic 737 flying was renown as some of the best in the system, until the RJs came and we parked them and furloughed pilots, simultaneously destroying a great product and alienating our customer base and laying off station employees with 30 years of dedicated service... what's the time to upgrade in SLC now? A quarter century to be the plug on a narrowbody? THIS was far more devastating to our careers than losing the pension.
03-03-2014 | 05:59 AM
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From: Light Chop
so Junglebus 4 day is 26+, 10 legs, 15-16 hour overnights.
now to check ATL M88 4 day.... mostly 22-23 hours, 14 legs most of the time, overnights thanks to 117 now 11-18 hours.
so, long range jumbo RJ trips dont seem that bad at all, in fact, IF JBs four day was indicative of trip construction possibilities then the jumbo RJ trips would be an improvement.
SO if its not the trip construction then what is it about jumbo RJs we wouldnt want? is it that theyre not as advanced as mainline jets like the 88?
okay, maybe its too advanced?
now to check ATL M88 4 day.... mostly 22-23 hours, 14 legs most of the time, overnights thanks to 117 now 11-18 hours.
so, long range jumbo RJ trips dont seem that bad at all, in fact, IF JBs four day was indicative of trip construction possibilities then the jumbo RJ trips would be an improvement.
SO if its not the trip construction then what is it about jumbo RJs we wouldnt want? is it that theyre not as advanced as mainline jets like the 88?
okay, maybe its too advanced?
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03-03-2014 | 05:59 AM
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From: 767er Captain
I don't believe TC for a nanosecond. There will always be a vote "just around the corner"...but strangely enough I don't think that there ever will be one. But the DPA will also never go away, because ultimately it is about one thing: TC's obsession and anger about the fact that he was furloughed a few years ago, and blames NWA/Delta and ALPA with nearly every waking thought.
The worse part is that this is not leading to a unified pilot force that is the most fundamental element in securing a great contract. But I don't think TC cares. While ALPA national and our own DALPA are correctly focusing on the Emirates and Norwegian Air schemes that could annihilate our industry, the DPA continues to look like a bunch of buffoons, more interested in who hacked their website than in the long term prosperity and viability of this profession.
So...hey DPA, I am asking you to call for a vote and resolve this, or go away and once again support your current representative body, which is DALPA. If you win the election, I will be a good member of the union, just as I like to think that I am now.
But please, let's have some closure here!
The worse part is that this is not leading to a unified pilot force that is the most fundamental element in securing a great contract. But I don't think TC cares. While ALPA national and our own DALPA are correctly focusing on the Emirates and Norwegian Air schemes that could annihilate our industry, the DPA continues to look like a bunch of buffoons, more interested in who hacked their website than in the long term prosperity and viability of this profession.
So...hey DPA, I am asking you to call for a vote and resolve this, or go away and once again support your current representative body, which is DALPA. If you win the election, I will be a good member of the union, just as I like to think that I am now.
But please, let's have some closure here!
03-03-2014 | 06:01 AM
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Not if we have to pay 1 red cent to get 'em. For goodness' sake, pay attention. The regional airline experiment is imploding before your very eyes.
03-03-2014 | 06:04 AM
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Exactly, I believe management is going to WANT to bring them in house. Last year fewer than 70 CFI's were issued. This from an FAA inspector.
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