Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Originally in the cookie house that's not near anything really.
Easy trade to Holiday Inn.
You have to be able to look back at the previous 168 hrs (7 days) and be able to find a stretch of 30 hrs that you weren't on duty. You can be in the middle of a 35 hr layover on a trip or at home in your bed for two days. However, sitting on long call for 6 days in a row and not being called doesn't count towards the rest. Reserve is a hybrid animal, but in this situation it is not considered rest as it pertains to this rule. So if PBS builds you a reserve line with 10 days in a row and you never get used, on day 7 crew scheduling is going to have to cut you loose for 30 hrs.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,940
Yes. Now it's a hard 16:30, but it can be manipulated. The old 16 hour thing of the past could also be manipulated though I suppose. We had our contractual maximum to protect us though. Unfortunately, we gave it away. It seems our contractual maximum is almost always more restrictive than the new FARs because it includes our 30 minute post flight while the FTD ends at blockin.
Crowne
I just stayed at the Crowne. They've been working on the elevators there forever, and they are still not programmed correctly. They stop at floors with no people, go up when they should go down, etc. It was very frustrating during busy parts of the day (to/from work). I would avoid it, at least for the near term.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
Yes. Now it's a hard 16:30, but it can be manipulated. The old 16 hour thing of the past could also be manipulated though I suppose. We had our contractual maximum to protect us though. Unfortunately, we gave it away. It seems our contractual maximum is almost always more restrictive than the new FARs because it includes our 30 minute post flight while the FTD ends at blockin.
It is within the sole discretion of each individual pilot to decide in any given situation whether he is fit for duty and will remain on duty beyond his applicable FDP or duty period limit under Section 12 D. 2. – 4. A pilot’s decision not to remain on duty beyond such limit will be accepted without challenge by Crew Tracking.
So the max duty period in the FAR 117 table (domestically) is 14 hours. That is when you can pull the plug and not be questioned about it. In our PWA a duty period could be built to 13 hours and the company could involuntarily extend you to 15 hours then you could pull the plug before whitlow at 16 hours which is what the company would try to extend your duty day to. So you can actually pull the plug earlier. As someone pointed out these duty times and our 5:15 don't get phased in until November.
Yes. Now it's a hard 16:30, but it can be manipulated. The old 16 hour thing of the past could also be manipulated though I suppose. We had our contractual maximum to protect us though. Unfortunately, we gave it away. It seems our contractual maximum is almost always more restrictive than the new FARs because it includes our 30 minute post flight while the FTD ends at blockin.
What do you mean when you say that these extension limits can be manipulated?
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 65
I dont follow... sorry... I thought if you start a 10 day block on Monday, they have to give you rest at 8pm Saturday to 0000 Monday and couldn't give you a trip that, say, signed in on Friday and released on Sunday? Is that incorrect? Can you explain what happens using this example?
All B lines are finally out. No back dooring needed.
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