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Old 06-15-2014, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
AF/KLM/AZ trans Atlantic JV with a partner 49% owned by Etihad no es bueno.

The likely result of this will be the loss of AZ from our JV.
I see the second part as a very good thing. AZ is a dysfunctional dead weight and we don't need to feed one passenger or dollar to Ethiad's little "investment".
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Old 06-15-2014, 10:56 PM
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Will removing the AZ flying put us in compliance?
I was wondering the same thing myself. I wonder if, and who, will cover the loss of flying that Alitalia covered.
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
Apparently we have bought 10 more MD-90's from EVA and the first one is on its way to the states. Unfortunately, it sounds like they are going to be used for spare parts.
Yes, but you have to know the special techniques to use Douglas parts on another Douglas jet. You have to consider the amount the airplane itself is out of production tolerances, then how many shims you need to make the part fit. Consider cutting, or beating the part (including electronics) with a hammer to get acceptable dimensional fit, then shim it back into tolerance.

If it were a Boeing part you would say it is "bent." In Douglas terminology you say it is "pre-loaded." Here's a diagram for those visually inclined from the part of the Douglas assemblage manual that was recovered from the bathroom in Long Beach. It was found wrapped in dryer sheets under a copy of "How to smoke weed and not get caught."



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Old 06-16-2014, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
I was wondering the same thing myself. I wonder if, and who, will cover the loss of flying that Alitalia covered.
To the extent that the money losing routes are covered, somebody's throwing $1.7 Billion on the table to buy something, and we aren't players. Also consider over $7B has been thrown at that airline just since I began counting ... and it's turned a profit, once (16 years ago), since being founded in 1946.

This is an expensive access / Certificate of Convenience, scheme.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
AF/KLM/AZ trans Atlantic JV with a partner 49% owned by Etihad no es bueno.

The likely result of this will be the loss of AZ from our JV.
No great loss. It will be interesting to see how long the sand fleas will participate in the losses of Alitalia. (Some on here will know what I mean with that statement).
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Yes, but you have to know the special techniques to use Douglas parts on another Douglas jet. You have to consider the amount the airplane itself is out of production tolerances, then how many shims you need to make the part fit. Consider cutting, or beating the part (including electronics) with a hammer to get acceptable dimensional fit, then shim it back into tolerance.

If it were a Boeing part you would say it is "bent." In Douglas terminology you say it is "pre-loaded." Here's a diagram for those visually inclined from the part of the Douglas assemblage manual that was recovered from the bathroom in Long Beach. It was found wrapped in dryer sheets under a copy of "How to smoke weed and not get caught."



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The word "lint" there is incorrect. Proper usage of that word would be thus: "I lint over and whispered in her ear".
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:17 AM
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No great loss.
Not just that... I'd consider it a good thing. Alitalia blows.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:24 AM
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What if that allows the fleas to participate fully in the EU/US open sky's ?
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD View Post
What if that allows the fleas to participate fully in the EU/US open sky's ?
Thru Alitalia? If they want to throw their money down the rat hole, that's fine. But.... the scary thing would be our government's willingness to allow sand fleas to do that flying. I am sure they would be OK with it.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:00 AM
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No matter how much I try I cannot get in the backdoor. I keep periodically trying and no luck each and every time.
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