Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-04-2014 | 05:27 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
This is absolutely the future. With the improvements in aircraft technologies (automation, ground based flying abilities, etc..), the perceived shortage of pilots, and the airlines ability to save pilots costs (MPL's would surely be paid less) it becomes the perfect storm of pressure on the government to make regulatory changes to existing FAR's to make this happen. The public will buy into it because most people already think that the captain is the only one that fly's the airplane so what's the difference between a "co-pilot" and an MPL crew member?
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
ALPA has already stated it's distain for the MPL. We need to offer an alternative, based on our core belief, unity.
03-04-2014 | 05:44 AM
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From: MSP7ERB
This is absolutely the future. With the improvements in aircraft technologies (automation, ground based flying abilities, etc..), the perceived shortage of pilots, and the airlines ability to save pilots costs (MPL's would surely be paid less) it becomes the perfect storm of pressure on the government to make regulatory changes to existing FAR's to make this happen. The public will buy into it because most people already think that the captain is the only one that fly's the airplane so what's the difference between a "co-pilot" and an MPL crew member?
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
It's inevitable and I don't think that any union can really stop it.
03-04-2014 | 05:53 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
I think one could make the argument that in the wake of AF 447 and the Asiana crash, and possibly the Colgan accident, reducing pilot flight training is a step in the wrong direction.
Get Sully on the Today show and start asking if people would trust their lives to a lower paid, less experienced and trained pilot at the helm over the ocean at night. Sleep tight!
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03-04-2014 | 06:10 AM
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Great, so we start flying domestic ops now with three pilots? Otherwise, putting new hire MPLs only on Oceanic Ops and removing one of the more senior FOs would be a seniority abrogation. It would work with LBP, but not the way we do it.
03-04-2014 | 06:17 AM
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But you are correct, it would be an abrogation, and we'd need to agree to it for it to happen. Impossible you say? We agreed to terminate our pension, to outsource half of our domestic flying...
I'm just playing devils advocate. I think Bar has the right idea, it's an idea that ALPA shoved aside in favor of other remunerations at a time when they needed to show unity. I don't know if the past two decades have taught us all a lesson or not. I guess we'll see.
03-04-2014 | 06:41 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
So take half of the 7ER, 330, 765, 744 and 777 FO list and hand it over to MPLs?
I'd think they'd have an easier time dropping the 1500 hour rule and Age 65 limit to unlimited as long as you hold a 1st class medical. Just saying.
I'd think they'd have an easier time dropping the 1500 hour rule and Age 65 limit to unlimited as long as you hold a 1st class medical. Just saying.
03-04-2014 | 06:46 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
03-04-2014 | 06:46 AM
seeing the country...
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I stopped by the DTW pilot meeting yesterday. The 717 discussion was interesting, a couple of take aways:
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
03-04-2014 | 06:49 AM
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"We have to do it compete on costs. You don't want that cruise FO job anyway, do you know what pay ALPA would have to agree to compete?"
03-04-2014 | 06:53 AM
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From: Light Chop
I stopped by the DTW pilot meeting yesterday. The 717 discussion was interesting, a couple of take aways:
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
They will expand DTW 717 later this year. They don't want deliveries to outpace crew training, or crew training to outpace deliveries
They aren't necessarily going to operate the 717 as a DC-9 replacement. (Ie, hub to nearby out stations and back). The trips sounded a lot like the E175 discussion we had a few pages back.
Other bases beyond DTW, MSP, and ATL are possible, depends on what network wants. Sounded like there could be a NYC base and a west coast base.
I guess SEA.
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