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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1595983)
Well put. The CRJ900, E190, and E195 already have DALPA negotiated payrates. Not caring about a plane someone projects they is below them is what got us into this total scope mess in the first place.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1596020)
I agree with what you say 100 percent however there are hundreds of posts on here from pilots hired after the bankruptcy filing complaining about having to staff the 717.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1596020)
I agree with what you say 100 percent however there are hundreds of posts on here from pilots hired after the bankruptcy filing complaining about having to staff the 717.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1596030)
Please quote one.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1596063)
You can find post after post about the displacements to the 717.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1596069)
Okay I understand now what you meant. Initially, what I thought you were saying is something to the effect of "that flying is beneath me." Getting displaced stinks.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1596063)
You can find post after post about the displacements to the 717.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1595968)
SWA is not paying us to fly them, they are paying to modify them to DAL spec. That is very beneficial.
The 76 seat jets do have a DALPA negotiated payscale. It is in section 3 of our current live contract. I'll tell you why you should be willing to bend to get that flying at mainline, because it is flying. I'm not going to bid the 717, a320, 73n, m88, or 757 but I do care that that flying is at mainline. The sad reality is that you do not understand that when you don't stand up for scope, the job you don't care about is your own.:confused: BTW, SWA is paying for the modifications but reportedly also approximately half of the lease payments. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1595963)
Because that's what unions do. Over the past few decades, special interest have hijacked the normal union process in order to achieve maximum pay and benefits. This has resulted in the subjugation of hard fought legal protections(people died for them actually), to accomplish their own individual goals. So yes, you have to pay for, it is your flying, it is your union brothers.(I'm not talking about regional pilots here, I'm talking about future mainline pilots, or past furloughed mainline pilots)
Don't take my word for it, here is Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz view, "Strong unions have helped to reduce inequality, whereas weaker unions have made it easier for CEOs, sometimes working with market forces that they have helped shape, to increase it." ALPA clearly falls into the latter category. I'm a keen advocate for a strong national airline union in our common interests like safety, accident investigation, political action, aeromedical, legal, MCF or strike support. I've also seen airline unions and MECs stab each other in the back, sue each other, cheat each other, take advantage, be uncooperative or predatory. I'm a keen advocate for a strong Delta MEC to protect ourselves from other unions as much as from management and groups of individual pilots. I don't think Joseph Stiglitz has walked a mile in my shoes or those of my fellow union "brothers" at other airlines. Maybe he can explain why Delta is unwilling to fly 70 or 76 seat RJs on the mainline. |
Originally Posted by contrails
(Post 1595975)
Well, for one, because some people above you will bid on it, and you'll be a more senior 717A as a result of that.
Is it that hard to comprehend? |
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