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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1599182)

I don't think you're paying attention. Every rep I've spoken with, and everything they've put out to us, has been clear. The PWA supersedes policy.

Here's the guidance from the DTW reps:
Lacking a negotiated agreement stating otherwise, ALPA believes that the PWA language should be enforced and will “vigorously represent” a pilot who is removed from an assignment and is
subsequently penalized by having a PD (Personal Drop = loss of a day’s pay) placed on their
schedule, and being required to have a “talk” with a Chief Pilot,

Here's the guidance from the MSP reps:
Although ALPA has been engaged in negotiations for over 2 months with Flight Ops to achieve mutually acceptable changes to our PWA to reconcile the differences between the current PWA language and the new restrictions under FAR 117, an agreement has not been reached. Flight Ops has instituted a policy that instructs pilots to self-notify for assignments that ensures compliance with FAR 117, but this policy also infringes upon the terms of our PWA. In those situations where pilots are ineligible to accept an assignment for failing to comply with Flight Ops policy, a Personal Drop (PD) is being placed on the pilot’s line, which can have a negative effect on the pilot’s pay. If there is a CPR (Chief Pilot Review) placed on your line, you will need to speak to a chief pilot before any additional flying will be assigned to you. Because the policy unilaterally changes PWA language that is clear and unambiguous, we are committed to protecting pilots who are penalized for complying with our PWA.

If you are given a PD in response to an assignment notification that is in compliance with our PWA, please notify us immediately.

While we are working to reach an agreement, please remember policy cannot supersede the PWA.

Read that last sentence from the MSP reps carefully.

As I understand it, many pilots on reserve are acknowledging assignments earlier than required by the PWA because it benefits them (hotels, commuting timing, etc). I also understand no pilots have lost pay from a failure to comply with the policy.

As you understand it no pilots have lost pay for failing to comply with SD's policy (edict)? So they're getting a "PD" on their schedules but still getting paid? I find that hard to believe.

Two questions:

1. Has a grievance been filed?
2. Can a reserve pilot who has had a "PD" placed on his/her schedule for complying with the PWA, but not SD's policy (i.e. acknowledged the trip inside 10 hours, but within 3 hours) tell us here if they've had pay deducted as a result?

If RES pilots are getting "PD" put on their schedules for complying with the PWA, but not the SD edict and yet are still getting paid then I completely understand the justification for not filing a grievance. But if the pilots are not being paid for that reserve day where they get a "PD" (most likely the case, right?), then why hasn't a grievance been filed?

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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1599185)

Not trying to ruin someone's good deal, just looking for some middle ground.

Did the company look for"middle ground" when it took your pension and cut your pay by 42%?

We left "middle ground" territory long ago.

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

1. Has a grievance been filed?

I have asked several times and can't get a straight answer. This leads me to believe the answer is "NO."

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1599256)

I have asked several times and can't get a straight answer. This leads me to believe the answer is "NO."

You can not file a grievance until you have something to grieve. So far we have nothing to grieve.

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

As you understand it no pilots have lost pay for failing to comply with SD's policy (edict)? So they're getting a "PD" on their schedules but still getting paid? I find that hard to believe.

That's what one of my reps told me. He said there are a couple of open cases where there were other factors complicating the situation, but that the simple cases where a pilot missed an assignment for not acknowledging, have been resolved without a loss of pay.

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

1. Has a grievance been filed?

Why?

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

2. Can a reserve pilot who has had a "PD" placed on his/her schedule for complying with the PWA, but not SD's policy (i.e. acknowledged the trip inside 10 hours, but within 3 hours) tell us here if they've had pay deducted as a result?

I'd be interested in hearing about that, too!

Anyone?

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

If RES pilots are getting "PD" put on their schedules for complying with the PWA, but not the SD edict and yet are still getting paid then I completely understand the justification for not filing a grievance. But if the pilots are not being paid for that reserve day where they get a "PD" (most likely the case, right?), then why hasn't a grievance been filed?

As I understand it, there can be no grievance until there is a violation. A PD on your line that is later removed, with no loss of pay, probably isn't a violation. The one-offs that I heard involved pilots who weren't in position to take the assignments when they acknowledged. But that's just what I've heard.

There are a couple of reps who read this board. Maybe they can give us more?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1599259)

You can not file a grievance until you have something to grieve. So far we have nothing to grieve.

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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1599182)

If you are given a PD in response to an assignment notification that is in compliance with our PWA, please notify us immediately.

While we are working to reach an agreement, please remember policy cannot supersede the PWA.

Read that last sentence from the MSP reps carefully.

I also understand no pilots have lost pay from a failure to comply with the policy.

That would be great news if it were true.

Can any ALPA guys confirm?
Nobody is losing any pay for following the PWA instead of Dickson's memo?

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1599240)

Unfortunately, I can say that I received a "P/D" without pay last month. During a red-eye commute, I was assigned a 1500 sign-in. I acknowledged 20 minutes after landing at 0535. I called scheds to inform them of being inside the 10 hours window so they gave me a "P/D."

When I inquired with DALPA, they said they wouldn't take up the issue since their records showed I didn't check my schedule after 1500 base time the day prior to starting reserve. I was watching "Daily Trips Covered" but neglected to view "Current Schedule." I can't back it up with timestamps, but my dropped rotation was awarded sometime during my commute. I guess I didn't comply with schedule checking requirements, but see it as a moot point due to when the trip was assigned (sometime between midnight and 0300 base time).

= Free day off with no pay.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1599259)

You can not file a grievance until you have something to grieve. So far we have nothing to grieve.

Are you saying that ALPA is lying?
The personal drops are not happening?

There are a lot of reserve pilots who would like to have that information.

OK, I gotta admit, I haven't been following this P/D discussion. Can somebody post the bullet points of this please?