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BigZatD 10-08-2013 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1498399)
Okay, I'll start the talk about pay for Contract 2015. :) Everything else being the same, what's the minimum (within reason) pay hike necessary?

(This ought to be fun!!) :D

Denny

3%. Maybe get 5% if we give up 100 seat scope.

scambo1 10-08-2013 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1498404)
Now, what is the minimum figure you would vote in favor of?

Denny

The minimum figure that will get the contract to pass with my no vote is a more realistic question.

Denny Crane 10-08-2013 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1498407)
The minimum figure that will get the contract to pass with my no vote is a more realistic question.

Scambo.......................................... are you in politics!?!:) Just kidding!

Denny

Purple Drank 10-08-2013 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1498399)
Okay, I'll start the talk about pay for Contract 2015. Everything else being the same, what's the minimum (within reason) pay hike necessary?

(This ought to be fun!!)

Denny

for starters:

35/15/15/+10% after amendable date
6:00 min day, vaca day, training day
25% holiday override
6 SC/mo & ditch ALV +15-->full at guarantee, period
reserve trip = regular trip
reduce outsourced block hours 50%
LCW max of 80 (will need reworked manning forumula)
tightened JV language


I know that seems like a lowball daydream, but I'm not unreasonable. It's all about incremental gains, right?

Elliot 10-08-2013 04:48 PM


for starters:

35/15/15/+10% after amendable date
6:00 min day, vaca day, training day
25% holiday override
6 SC/mo & ditch ALV +15-->full at guarantee, period
reserve trip = regular trip
reduce outsourced block hours 50%
LCW max of 80 (will need reworked manning forumula)
tightened JV language
Got it. Everyone, Purple will be a NO vote on C2015.....check. :rolleyes:

Ed Harley 10-08-2013 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1498439)
for starters:

35/15/15/+10% after amendable date
6:00 min day, vaca day, training day
25% holiday override
6 SC/mo & ditch ALV +15-->full at guarantee, period
reserve trip = regular trip
reduce outsourced block hours 50%
LCW max of 80 (will need reworked manning forumula)
tightened JV language


I know that seems like a lowball daydream, but I'm not unreasonable. It's all about incremental gains, right?

Wow. I, as a 6th year 88 FO, would be making nearly $250,000/yr after those raises. An MD88 captain would make $410,000/yr. It's fun to dream about, but the reality is that if that contract were to be implemented, I would most likely be furloughed within a few months.

How could Delta compete with other airlines while paying wages so completely beyond the normal of any American or International airline?

Scottyr6 10-08-2013 05:01 PM

Can we slide our vacation? IE so it's not Sunday to Saturday. Change it to Monday to Sunday or Tuesday to Monday

Elliot 10-08-2013 05:02 PM


Wow. I, as a 6th year 88 FO, would be making nearly $250,000/yr after those raises. An MD88 captain would make $410,000/yr. It's fun to dream about, but the reality is that if that contract were to be implemented, I would most likely be furloughed within a few months.

How could Delta compete with other airlines while paying wages so completely beyond the normal of any American or International airline?
EXACTLY!! For some reason, Purple Drank thinks our negotiators can go to Mgmt. & ask for a 200% raise? Especially when we're already making nearly a $100 more than our brothers-in-profession at US Air. :rolleyes:

Purple, please tell us you've been drinking some of Grandpa's moonshine again!

35% + 15% + 15% + (+10%) = approx. 200% increase in pay for 12yr narrow body Captain.

GJ

Timbo 10-08-2013 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1498399)
Okay, I'll start the talk about pay for Contract 2015. :) Everything else being the same, what's the minimum (within reason) pay hike necessary?

(This ought to be fun!!) :D

Denny


25% per year, for 3 years, oh, and I'll also need about $2 Million deposited immediately into my DC plan!

Still, that won't come close to what I've lost in real dollars since 2004, never mind inflation adjusting. :rolleyes:

Sink r8 10-08-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1498346)
Answer: We should expect to be paid more than our peers. The work we did with the merger ~ ala the smoothness with which it went ~ is helping the company immensely now.

We should continue to make significant gains in overall compensation, benefits, and work-rules.

You said it perfectly. Some are obsessed with what other airlines make, particularly SW. I have no idea how SW will fare over time, but I don't want to be tied to their fortunes: I want to be rewarded to my contribution to my company's success. Ours have been immense.

Our contributions > our company's success > our company's ability to pay > our returns on contributions.


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