Good luck with that. I wish, as much as anyone (you & PD), that we would or could have full restoration, plus inflation. Realistically, it AIN'T gonna happen in a matter of one or two Section 6's. Sorry.


This is nothing more than a bold statement. Show me your FTB-esque spreadsheet probing what you stated above, otherwise it's (cheap) opinion. (How do you know the "first $1 Billion in profits" didn't come from baggage fees?)

You fly an airplane for a living. (No disrespect intended.) Richard is the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation. APPLES - ORANGES comparison good sir.

I think an adequate pay raise, to show the pilots/flight attendants/agents/etc., whom ALL "SAVED" Delta from liquidation, should be given during the next contract negotiations. I just don't think your 25% a year, for three years, is realistic. Again, sorry.

GJ

Scambo,

Please confirm? You expect the company to give an almost 200% increase in pay during a three year contract?

CIRCLE: YES or NO :D

GJ

No.

I don't EXPECT the company to GIVE us anything, especially if we never even ask...:rolleyes:

My bad, got you & Scambo mixed up in my quoted responses. (Typing on my iPhone.):o

So you think we should just "ask" for a 200% pay raise? Well $h1t Timbo, why didn't the negotiators think of that strategy before?:rolleyes:

Dam it, all we would've had to do is "ask" the company, during C2012 negotiations, for restoration & they probably would've given it to our pilot group.

That's an AMAZING strategy, & I think you should join the NC for the next Section 6 negotiations & see how that works out for you.

GJ

Gearjerk,
Please confirm? DALPA (through you, Ed Harley, and the rest of the lowballers we're about to see) is already lowering expectations for C2015?
CIRCLE: YES or NO

but...but...I though we'd "get them next time!" apparently DALPA's not even selling that any more.

Agreed! If our leaders are getting those sorts of raises for their efforts...why shouldn't we get comparable raises for ours? It's infinitesimal in comparison.

If not, it smacks of Washington, DC. Do as I say, not as I do. I'm tired of the "me too" culture. The FA's don't fly my airplane, land in 33 kt crosswinds, fly down to mins in dreadful weather, etc. I love, however, loving on our customers. As most of them do.

I'm a huge RA fan. He should, in turn, be very appreciative of the pilot group who made this merger a cornerstone for the industry. And one, I might add, that no other pilot group has yet to achieve.

Let's not accept what US Air, UAL, SWA, et al, have agreed to. We're not them, and they aren't us.

PD,

NO, I am not trying to "lower expectations", nor is anyone else, as far as I have interpreted the comments.

I think there's a realistic expectation & asking for nearly a 200% pay raise over 3-5 years IS NOT it. I would bet money, to the charity of your choice, that you didn't even do the math on 35%/15%/15%/+10%. Did you realize that would put our 737 Captains,in 2019, above the highest 747 pay rate the company has ever given. (Plus $100.) :rolleyes:

What are you talking about? Are you delusional man, or just drunk posting again? D-ALPA hasn't started communicating their efforts (RE: C2015) as of yet? Contract openers aren't due to be exchanged for another year and a half. Surveys, I assume, will be distributed mid-2014. Please choose to ask for your 200% raise at that time. (I think you'll be severely disappointed, but it's your ignorance that the DPA [donut] crowd rely on.) Look how far Carl has made it? :D

GJ

I've never been a "just say No" kind of guy. That's not a strategy.

But your willingness for appeasement, in the face of record profits, after gutting our pay and retirement plans to attain those record profits, is not a strategy either, not if you ever want to restore the profession, or reclaim our pay/retirement money now being given out as Dividends.

And as Buzz points out, we are not UAL/CAL or AA/USA.

Someone has to be at the top of the pay/benefits pyramid, I think it should be Delta, not Fed Ex, not SWA. BUT... are YOU willing to strike to achieve significant gains? That's always been the real question. Most Delta guys aren't ready or willing to walk away.

Why not?

Well, what did you think that rocking chair was for?

Delta hires a risk averse personality type, that has been proven over and over. How I slipped through is anyone's guess, the Doc. must have been drunk that day. But if you aren't willing to stand up for yourself, and at least try to reclaim the sacrifices we have made in pay and retirement, then come time to renegotiating our next contract, well, you might as well bend over, again, and say,

"Thank you sir, may I have another?"

3%?

For the next two years?

Paid for by reducing our profit sharing by 33% in the highest profit years?

GMAFB.

How quickly they forget, Timbo. Well said.

I know what I want my W-2 to look like. And what it should look like in a successful, well positioned, Fortune 500 company. It's not anything like it ought to be. Make no mistake, the execs are getting theirs.

Well said Timbo, hear, hear. It's time to take a stand for what you believe in, and find the real value in our efforts as a pilot group. People who acquiesce are recipients of the benefits of those who are willing to fight.

And Buzz, I concur with you as usual.