I would argue that the "flitehoes" are steering it to themselves more now under the greenslip system than they would be able to under a 1.5X over 80 setup. The guys I know who are getting 120+/month (sometimes 120+++) are the ones in base taking the calls at 2AM for the 4AM push 4 day, 20+ hour Intl greenslip rescue mission for broken/diverted airplanes, OR the 7 day last minute Asia mx ferry 40 hour greenslip with 33 hours of Intl DH.

I'm all for higher earnings for all, but I don't see how the system could be anymore skewed than it already is for those willing to "play the games" with greenslips. Got some ER FO's making over 250K while other, more senior ones who can't/won't do the last minute greenslips make over 100K less. Obviously, I would prefer we all get a 50% raise and eliminate any premium pay but I think some premium over some number would spread the wealth a lot better than the current system.

I would like to see OOBWS moved up the ladder a notch and placed ahead of long call reserves. Would also like to open up picking up out of base off the swap board after a trip remains there long enough. I think the F/A's just got this option.

Gotcha. Where you overnighting? Ebola has been reported in the very rural areas of Liberia and Guinea. Accra and Monrovia are unaffected.

May I ask why?

I'm sorry but it seems your jealousy is slanting your thinking. You want some of the pie that you can't seem to get.

But those late night rescue flights, or last minute mx ferry flights have to be flown. And volunteers are hard to find at 1.5 pay. Especially if you don't even get that 1.5 pay until you are over 80 hours. It's an operational issue more than a spread the wealth issue.

Not if you apply the WS pickup limit to swaps as well. At that point, you'd almost be back to where we were in C2K, other than the over-projection trip drops.

I think the disparity you describe to is real, and is has a lot to do with some of the flaws in our open time and swap board, which allow pilots to steer a disproportionate amount of flying their way. The field is almost wide open for guys who are working in groups to pilfer the flying. Almost, but not quite. Now they want extra rewards for the behavior.

As far as FO's who can/won't do the last minute flying for a GS, why would you presume they could/would under a 1.5>80? This isn't really about those that can't/won't, but about the behavior and rewards for those that already are using existing loopholes. They're working the open time very, very hard, and yet somehow they're jealous that someone gets 2X premium for last minute flying. They want to shut the GS system down, and replace it with this 1.5>80.

Why?

I'm not a routine user of GS, but I WANT there to be a disincentive to under-staff. I WANT premium flying to be linking to staffing formulas. I don't want to institutionalize flying above 80, I simply want to make all flying rewarding, and I want it to be costly to the company, and beneficial to pilots, to understaff.

One important thing to consider about GS, is that they are pretty democratic: the top guy can't get a second, unless everyone had a shot. This is a problem for flighthoes, especially those social bidders, who get open time via a senior friend, and re-steer it to their junior friends (trip-parking, minus the return of the trip). I don't think they like the idea of everyone getting a shot. Under 1.5>80, they could use existing techniques, and steer even MORE of the benefits to themselves, and their friends.

If you want to talk about disparities in income, then let's talk about fixing the weaknesses and inequities in the current system, which will generate even more premium flying.

Sure. If you go back a few posts from the one you quoted, I discussed my viewpoint.

Why not keep the GS -and- get 1.5 pay over the ALV?

In over 28 years I have never once flown a GS, and as a minimum 5hr. commuter, I doubt I ever will, but I do on occasion I do fly over the ALV. Why not have both? Why do we have to trade one for the other, isn't the $1Billion per year, in bankruptcy pay rates we are still giving to the company enough to satisfy them?

What if you had both -- 1.5 over some number (I prefer the ALV), plus the GS/IA system we have today for when they run out of reserves?