Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-01-2014 | 01:58 PM
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I'm a very positive guy overall, but I think I'll reserve my excitement for our massive WB order & greater than 3% pay increases that must be forthcoming in the near future...
(Oh wait... they're actually parking my fleet.)I too am happy about our NB increases, just not thrilled about the potential to finish up my career on a NB...
If I'd wanted to retire on a 737, I'd gone to SW.
Ob la di, Ob la da...
04-01-2014 | 01:58 PM
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Edit: Just read the release. Notice that it is an RFP to replace the 747s.... a "bigger" airplane. Neither the 330 or 787 pay as much. Just sayin' I guess the half full perspective would be that most pay more than a 767, so we'll have that going for us. Basically a wash.
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04-01-2014 | 02:02 PM
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Purple,
Have you taken the time to meet, or listen to, our MEC Chairman, Mike Donatelli? He ran National's Strike Preparedness and has the track record of the Spirit strike which was a win. You would probably like him a lot. He's a powerful speaker and makes sense.
Management isn't impressed by emotional chest pounding. That does not work. What does work is based on the carrot of collaboration which makes Delta more profitable, along with the stick of leverage created by Delta's need for pilots' services and contractual compliance.
Delta is not in compliance with our Trans Atlantic JV. We are in a cure period which by all appearances is not going to be cured. That's leverage for somebody. Perhaps it plays in to this widebody RFP and locking this flying down so that we improve bidding opportunities at the top of this Company as has been done at the bottom of this Company.
I don't know anything, but that's where some of these dots seem to be pointing. Cautiously optimistic with the realization that improving JV language (and compliance) results in a higher percentage pay increase than the headline number in Section 3.
Delta, even with capacity restraint to drive revenues, still needs more, larger, jets.
Have you taken the time to meet, or listen to, our MEC Chairman, Mike Donatelli? He ran National's Strike Preparedness and has the track record of the Spirit strike which was a win. You would probably like him a lot. He's a powerful speaker and makes sense.
Management isn't impressed by emotional chest pounding. That does not work. What does work is based on the carrot of collaboration which makes Delta more profitable, along with the stick of leverage created by Delta's need for pilots' services and contractual compliance.
Delta is not in compliance with our Trans Atlantic JV. We are in a cure period which by all appearances is not going to be cured. That's leverage for somebody. Perhaps it plays in to this widebody RFP and locking this flying down so that we improve bidding opportunities at the top of this Company as has been done at the bottom of this Company.
I don't know anything, but that's where some of these dots seem to be pointing. Cautiously optimistic with the realization that improving JV language (and compliance) results in a higher percentage pay increase than the headline number in Section 3.
Delta, even with capacity restraint to drive revenues, still needs more, larger, jets.
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04-01-2014 | 02:03 PM
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04-01-2014 | 02:19 PM
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We have 74 767-300's, and 16 747's. The press release states we are looking to get 'up to 50' widebody aircraft to replace the 767's and 747's. I went to public school and suck at word problems, but that sounds like a net loss of airframes.
04-01-2014 | 02:22 PM
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There is much truth in that sentiment. It is also a fact that the 50 seaters are going away faster than originally planned. That being said, the unknown in the equation is really our difference of opinion on the issue, and that unknown is how long would it have taken us to achieve a contract, and would that contract have been better than the one we had. You cannot answer that any more than I can. I made my decision based on the information I had at the time, and for the most part, if presented the same information today, I would make the same decision. You get all wrapped around the axle about the bigger RJs, and that is fine, but those wouldn't have been coming to mainline in C12 unless it turned into C16 or something like that. And now that we have the results of the UAL and AAL contracts, it most certainly wouldn't have beien any better any sooner. We exchange openers in less than a year. None of the other players will be doing anything like that, and all of them have inferior contracts to ours. Who are we going to pattern off of? That was a bit of sidetrack, but I think you get my point. In the next contract.... I do not want to do ANY negotiating for scope. None.. nada... because it is a self correcting problem going forward. Why pay for something you are gonna get anyway.
Your turn.
Your turn.
Your scope comments are a mis-direct at this point. As we all now have the benefit of hindsight, the 50 seaters were toast. Management played DAlpa and got us to pay for the lack of 3b6 and pay for 50 seaters to go away and pay for our cola. In the end they got viable 2 class C scale rjs and a plane they couldn't pass up on regardless. +717.
The other misdirect is the lack of accounting for big jet scope. You wanna go to interior china, do it on a delta ticket flying on china eastern/southern metal. You wanna go from Seattle to London...VA. You want to go from MCO to CDG...you get the picture.
Now let's talk about domestic basing of foreign carriers...why exactly am I supposed to fight that? Is it because my company and union, the outsourcers of my job, tell me to?
Connect for me the best possible career dots for a new hire today. With the objective information you and I have today.
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04-01-2014 | 02:27 PM
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To quote Delta, this order is to begin the replacement process. I am comfortable that more aircraft will be ordered as needed. The last ER is currently still planned to be in the fleet in 2027.
04-01-2014 | 02:30 PM
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Pretty much covers all the widebodies doesn't it? My wager is that IF.. it is the 350s, we won't see any until at least 2018. Hell I'll make that wager if it is ANY of the above.... Purpledrink is gonna have a great career.. you and I.. not so much.
Edit: Just read the release. Notice that it is an RFP to replace the 747s.... a "bigger" airplane. Neither the 330 or 787 pay as much. Just sayin' I guess the half full perspective would be that most pay more than a 767, so we'll have that going for us. Basically a wash.
Edit: Just read the release. Notice that it is an RFP to replace the 747s.... a "bigger" airplane. Neither the 330 or 787 pay as much. Just sayin' I guess the half full perspective would be that most pay more than a 767, so we'll have that going for us. Basically a wash.
04-01-2014 | 02:36 PM
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04-01-2014 | 02:58 PM
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Replacement or growth I like the fact we are ordering WB aircraft and investing in the international fleet
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