I agree fully, although as Shiznit previously posted, the 757, 767-200, and 767-300 were all brought up to 767-300ER pay rates in C2K -- long before the merger with NWA.

 

Funny how gzsg never mentions that in his rant. I wish Delta had done that when I had a pension...

 

Oh really? Hmmmmmm Well, OK, define "concerned" and we might take this a little farther. Other than that, you pretty much have your foot in your mouth up to your kneecap.

And what do you believe the purpose of a stock buyback might be? Pump up the stock price? Can't wait to hear your answer on that.

Interesting choice of words. I listen to what Mr Anderson (and the other EVPs) says in the LCP meetings. (Actually I also listen to investor day podcasts and quarterly report briefings.. that are publicly available) I also compare what he says this time, to the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that... and you know what? It is really remarkable just how truthful he has been historically with the LCP group. In my most recent notes, there are already 2 things that have come to fruition SINCE they were spoken of in March. You might call that being a lemming, I prefer to call it research.


I agree that 2015 will be historical. And it should be. Of course a few PDs that want to strike the company just to make their point would change all that, but that is a minor detail... Interesting that many of the negadeltas here keep saying that the MEC has no "goals" or committing to anything. Sounds as if you just proved otherwise. The rest of your statement is itself nonsense. I am not trying to lower expectations, quite the contrary. Take the blinders off and look around you. It's gonna get better and better around here.

 

One thing that I think all of us need to be cognizant of too is: DAL has never hired more than about six years in a row since deregulation. Late 1985-1991, Late 1996-early 2001, 2007-2008, 2010. We are looking at 10-15 years of continued hiring hiring, and this time may be different based on where that six year point from today lies in relation to the retirements, but the historical reality is 2020 the doors will close, or the hiring will slow down significantly. Where will you be on the seniority list at that time? What will six years of possible reduced or no hiring due to your career expectations?

Each of these hiring waves was stopped by world events. 1991/1992 was the First Gulf War, 2001 was 9/11. 2008 was the start of the great recession and 2010 was just need based hiring due to too many on long term leaves.

The point is, it looks good for a decade plus from the perspective of today, but world events can change that vantage point in a instant. We are going to be retiring 700+ about the time the six year window arrives so we may break the historical trend due to our age inertia, but that does not mean that the world economy will be doing well at that time. It also does not mean that we will be replacing pilots on a 1:1 basis. Its important to strategically plan, strategically implement, and influence a timeline of your choosing.

 

ACL,

Considering we have many FO's that have already been here 15 years with "reduced or no hiring," plus 5 bonus years as FO, not mention 1000+ furloughs, what you mention above seems barely seems to be a "speed-bump" in ones career.

Scoop

 

Maybe maybe not. Point is that we need to look at past hiring trends and world events to craft strategy going forward. I would say that the lack of hiring for six years after 1991 and 2001 were not speed bumps, but significant detours.

 

You really threw down THAT card? Man you have chutzpah, I will give you that....

 

Of course we do. But... you also need to realize that the landscape has changed. Significantly. Unless the sand fleas are allowed to fly within our borders, and are allowed to throw thousands of seats into our markets, there is discipline among all the US carriers. That did not exist in any of the time frames you mentioned. It is working. Everybody is making money. Another People's Express in the guise of M R Rats will change all that, and make no mistake, our government would love nothing better. The first shot was fired in abu dhabi.

 

Turkish Airlines now accepting Non-Type Rated B777, B737, A320, A330/A340 Captains and First Officers.

B777, A330, A340 NTR: need experience on B767, B747, or A380

B737, A320 NTR: need experience on BAe-146, CRJ-100, 200, 700, 705, 900, 1000, ERJ-190/195, B 717, B727, B737 CLASSIC, DC-9-50, F-100, MD-80/88/90, or B757

Turkish Airlines will be having a roadshow in the USA in April to meet with pilots on the below dates:

*Los Angeles : April 14 and 15
*Chicago : April 18 and 19
*New York : April 22 and 23

For more details, email [email protected]

 

Don't know if it's been covered, but an update on the Easybid problem: I spoke to the help line folks and they said (as some suggested here) the problem with submitting bids through EB is Windows IE working with PBS. Since EB uses IE the program won't work. They expect to have a work around solution before the bidding period ends (which will require a EB update on your computer). Personally, I'd make other arrangements in case this doesn't pan out.