Originally Posted by UncleSam

The associated Fly for EVEN Less fare has the wording "This ticket is non-refundable" under it, which implies that the Fly Confirmed for Less fare would be refundable. You certainly can't read the above and verify that.

Originally Posted by Roadkill

Short answer-- DON'T USE THEM! They are NOT REFUNDABLE. One of the two of them implies it MAY be refundable depending on the fare rules. I spent 20 min buying some, going over fare rules to ensure I was getting refundable ones.
Two months later, they wouldn't refund them, every person I talked to told me flat out NEITHER was refundable, and I had my non-rev privileges threatened when I asked agent to actually LOOK at the ticket fare rules I had printed out with the tickets showing it WAS refundable.

I've never been as mad at the company as I was then... don't try to save that bogus 10%, it's a scam and you can't trust them-- you don't even get to go through a normal agent, they are all "special reservations" agents for travelnet who basically are in place to stiff arm and threaten you.

Sounds harsh I know, but after going to soooo much effort to ensure I bought refundable tickets, getting $4000 stolen from me administratively by the company taught me my lesson. Now I no longer try to purchase tickets on Delta to help the cause.

Originally Posted by groundstop

With regard to the FAR part 117, it seems to be an easy fix. Move long call to 16 hours, and we agree to acknowledge by 10 hours, giving us at least a 6 hour window to acknowledge a trip as opposed to the current 2 hour window (worst case scenario).

16 hour long call would really benefit guys that are stuck commuting to reserve.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

A union rep. He actually stated that a grievance would be filed prior to the expiration of the window to file. I did not ask or consider that they might both agree to a extension. I am told that talks are however in the end game one way or another.

Originally Posted by index

Okay, fair enough. Thanks for the answer.

What's your take on the allegation that the ATL CPO has been telling pilots that the terms of 117 have already been agreed to and that there were just a few items outstanding?

Do your sources indicate a deal is likely or not likely?

Originally Posted by orvil

I had a PanAm engineer, previous National. He had to do an engine change at an outlying station. He trashed his uniform shirt doing it. He asked National for a replacement shirt. Management told him that he should have worn overalls. They refused the reimbursement.

By the time he was done it was one incredibly expensive shirt. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid managers can be.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

A flight engineer did an engine change--and at an outlying station at that? That seems a bit of a fairy tale, as it takes a team of qualified mechanics some time and special tools to do that.