Aside from paying pilots for the personal drops, what needs to be implemented prior to a finalized agreement?

 

Someone else posted that ADG (which applies to both regular and reserve) is being improved. What if it's all the way up to 5:15 per day, such that reserves now get the same pay for every trip as regulars?

Would that make a difference?

 

I'd like to see that. Then these 3 day all nighters that currently pay 13:30 would go more senior.

 

It sounds like we got the 5:15 per day.
The catch is the "exceptions".
Late sign-ins and early arriving all-nighters may not count as a "day".

We need the language!

 

I don't agree.

I spoke with 2 of my reps and got some of the alleged details of the CDO language.

1) The legs to be flown cannot be more than 2 hours in length
2) The CDO layover has to be SCHEDULED for > 6 hours.

I am with you that a pilot isn't going to get the kind of sleep they would prefer but it is a pretty good amount considering the old CDO's had us sleeping on the airplane at times! (XJ Days)

The CDOs are going to go fairly senior due to the trip rig and I also think that solving the 30 hours layover issue is in everybody's interest. If I can get home 12 hours earlier and make the same amount of money, I'm all in.

I don't see aiding the company from an efficiency standpoint as a "give" on the negotiating front. It is a quality of life issue for pilots. We can fit more flying into our schedules (if you choose to do so) and you spend more time at home. It is a win-win.

 

Yes you did. And tsquare ridiculed you about the likelihood of CDOs at Delta. He compared it with the likelihood of us working 1 day/month with a $1m signing bonus. You were spot on and he was, well, blustering as usual.

 

Seems like CDO + IROP = cancelation

 

I don't see any reason why certain language needs to be implemented right away; the company posted a $440 million Q1 profit while weathering several major IROPS AND while the pilot group benefited from FAR 117 driven greenslips. I would say we are both doing quite well right now.

Also, the way to fix an inefficient 30 hr layover is with a DAILY GUARANTEE. CDO is a concession. I'm over concessions.

Lastly, if rumors are true then I'm for MEMRAT.

 

I have flown a couple 5 day trips lately that have 30 hours layovers in them and only went for 26-27 hours of credit.

 

I cringe when I hear these words. Inevitably the final result is they win we lose.