So I guess you view the whole Compass operation as a joke, right?

Compass was developed by the NWA MEC. You can take up with them whether or not they thought it was a joke.

If I'm not mistaken, weren't you hired by NWA after the development of Compass and all NWA furloughees were offered recall?:rolleyes:

Perhaps I misunderstood, but did said DAL furloughees go to the Left Seat at these DCI's? Or did they get a job as an FO? How was the pay? Was it 1st year?

I know you are aware that the CPZ flowback provides immediate access to a CA position, which certainly pays much more then 1st or even 4th year FO pay. No sarcasm intended in this post, just seeking the facts.

To be clear, there are only 150 or so Captain positions at CPZ. The rest are FO positions. At our scale, should a furlough happen not everyone furloughed will be flowing to a Captain seat.

We did not have a flow during our previous 2 furloughs.

I understand that not everyone can have a CA position if more then 150 are furloughed. If furloughs occured then it's obvious that the amount would likely exceed 300+ due to the ROI, maybe more like 500 IMO.

My point is that the Flowback at CPZ is worth FAR more then pref hiring at regionals. I think something like the J4J's program was an insult. I know that the DAL pilot group wasn't involved in that, I'm just using it as an example. If we actually protected our flying then we wouldn't need these flowbacks and pref hiring. :mad:

You do understand that if we had "perfect" scope, the airline industry would still furlough in times of economic necessity.

If we had "perfect" scope, those would be Delta pilot furloughs.

If we had "perfect" scope, many of those Delta pilots would be flying in the FO seat at regional FO wages.

As it is, we currently have no Delta pilot furloughs. Every other legacy does.

Just like the shrinking of the regionals right now, this is not due to any actions that ALPA has done.

Would you agree with this? Or can you prove otherwise without giving the same statistical rundown which doesn't show any actions on ALPA's part...

My question is if the CPS aircraft are awarded,sold or otherwise not attached to the airline what happens to the flow agreement? When it becomes unavailable and DAL argues that the flow was with CPS and not the jets there is not a judge or arbitrator that will side with DALPA. The trigger will be gone the flow will be gone and we will have no protection against it.

IMHO this is huge. What did we get for it? A promise?

ACL, I'm very disappointed in this post. A very close friend of yours is a candidate for office and a huge scope "advocate." One would think your friend would have done his homework on this piece, especially as it causes him such angst. From the PWA Section 1.40.E:

This is how you guys were just let down by people you should be recalling, again. It is just one time after another I come on here and shake my head wondering why how many Delta pilots are okay with what their elected officials are doing!

Did this really need to happen now, as NuGuy asked? Was there any apparent reason for some sense of urgency? Could it not have been postponed for another six months, or longer?

I think that Delta is now fully prepared to furlough and not have one single pilot flow back to Compass. Hopefully the economy gets in gear and makes it a moot point. Otherwise, I can see them trying to pull some card out of their sleeve to avoid not only the cost of flowing back pilots, but the huge mess it would be in general.

Heyas,

Didn't I read somewhere these flow provisions are being ignored at ASA and Comair?

Nu