Exactly, The killed the representation and not the flow. I guess it allows DAL to sell CPS and use the flow as a bargaining credit for gains.

The trigger could be negotiated away too. That is worth a lot to DAL and I am sure we could get the sixth weekend of vacation back for that:mad:

Past tense, the decision has been made, and yes it fell completely along NWA/DAL lines.

Of course there will be the inevitable PR to say how this benefits everyone, and the flow is intact, which it is until challenged or disregarded. The crux of the biscuit is that when challenged, which it will be, it will be harder to protect, and furloughed DAL pilots (which I also expect) will suffer as a result.

I expect we would eventually prevail in any litigation, the question is how many DAL pilots will suffer several years of unemployment in the interim? Bottom line is it will be cheaper to take it to court and delay/appeal than to implement the costs of the flow.

Not having CPZ pilots represented by DAL just made that easier, and we gave this away for what perceived advantage to the DAL pilots?

Fact, I would have gladly taken the flow that my NWA brethren created in 1113 if needed. Now that my interests are not going to be represented by DALPA if I am furloughed, that flow stinks. It is an easy way to get rid of the bottom dwellers by firing them at CPS or whatever the flow becomes. I am sure the company KNOWS that many of us will not take it either given the fact that we are no longer represented by OUR union once we go to CPS.

This one has me quite HOT!!

It will also make it next to impossible to restore the 76 seat flying here. Every Tom, Dick and Harry that bids for or buys CPS will want iron clad language that will prohibit DALPA from restoring that flying.


@#@$&@$()@*$@$*#@_*!!!!!!

I thought I would get this type of response. It's not a concession. Let me rephrase.

At the next contract we negotiate a new "all airplanes the same" pay scale that will save the company money due to lower training costs. We do the homework ahead of time, estimating how much the company will save, and use that as leverage to get a higher wage than we would get otherwise.

IE, if we are going to save the company money, we want to be compensated for it.

Can anyone else know what I am saying and can say it better?

Why would the NW pilots on the MEC want Compass, and the Delta guys not want it? Having Compass on the MEC seems to be a philosophical point, and you would expect different reps, irrespective of pre-merger affiliation, to have divergent opinions.

Or is this simply a power issue? Do the Compass guys vote with the NW guys? Is the purpose to keep alliances and horse-trading options intact?

I for one don't understand why we would accept an inherent conflict of interest, and allow another RJDC, with much more solid grounds, to sue us. Either we're fighting to be more restrictive on scope, or we're not. We can't do it without hurting them. OTH, I could definitely see an advantage in folding in Compass into mainline, so I'm not saying they need to be deep-sixed, but I am saying we needed to go one way or another.

What am I not seeing?

This was EXACTLY why I was asking why anyone at DALPA thought this was a good scenario.

It continues to fracture membership and that won't gain anything on keeping the flying at mainline.

1. Why was CPZ union representation spun off? How does this benefit our pilot group?

2. Did the furlough prtection just get weakened? Was something done by the union to negate this? Did the dream of bringing 76 seaters back to DAL just blow up in smoke?

3. What are the facts surrounding this?

As a paying union member, we deserve an immediate answer to these questions. I'm just sick an tired of the upper union pulling stuff like this and keeping the dues paying members in the dark. It is about time for an in-house union.

This just after we lost 55hr SILs....what did we negotiate in return? What in the he!! is our union doing? We must demand way more transparency.

Another pi$$ed DAL pilot!

The only round a bout on this is that our MEC beleives that they HAVE to have their own MEC to get their voice heard and there for there will be no issue when we fold them in.
I know I know, I am dreaming.

This is a clear sign that many of us do not want to restore the profession. If I am wrong, please tell me why.

Many resolutions were put forth telling the LEC's to tell the MEC's to keep CPS. My gosh, North, South, East West, we all did it even after this merger's ink was barley dry. That was unity from all ranks!!!!!

I'm not surprised by these turn of events, only saddened. Its obvious that DAL management is cutting regionals out of the strategic picture. Fly through CVG on any day and check it out. Its a ghost town. As a previously furloughed DAL guy, I never had hopes that a Compass flow would come to fruition. Would I have accepted it? I don't know. Maybe. Would it have held Delta accountable to its pilot force? You bet.

This industry has changed forever. Those of us who made the doctor v. lawyer v. pilot decision years ago have lost the roll of the dice. Its still fun and it still beats what's happening in the private sector, but not by much.

I, for one, don't have any faith in "my" union or "my" reps. They represent the company and their own individual interests....not mine, or ours. As a new hire in 2001, I remember distinctly the DALPA guy telling us that we had been hired into the "last job we'd ever have." I've had 5 since then. Color me suspicious and jaded. In the meantime, I'll fly the best and safest jet I can, just don't ask me to care on the drive home from the airport.