Hate to cast aspersions against the MEC admin that stated this, but it's so far fetched that it smacks of a lie. They either don't have the data to back up that claim or they would claim privacy reasons for withholding it.

Regardless, this issue has no place in negotiations on how to best implement FAR 117...a regulation created to mitigate fatigue. The mere fact that this item is even in this TA shows a lack of focus on both sides. The fact that Donatelli has so proudly touted this TA shows there may not even really be different "sides" here at all.

Carl

 

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. This is simply ridiculous.

 

As a west coast guy I love the 5:15!!! But the CDO's are I giant step in the wrong direction. Like a lot of guy's on here I can't believe we are considering them. I already emailed my rep with a No vote rec.

 

The 5:15 is a huge deal. I'm really really happy with that, and I think many are understating how big it is... however...

I'm afraid the CDOs are too unrestricted to be of the beneficial value needed. A few should be fine at the pay they are offering and would mitigate the jacked up trips we get with the 117 stuff. However, I believe it is likely too unrestricted in the TA from what I've read thus far.
I'm on the fence and trending toward sending it through another time to clean up the CDO stuff.

 

What routes specifically are being discussed for the augmented trips out of NRT and HND?

Could these effect the ROR layovers? Realize that the benefits of this layover affect only a small number of us but it would be a loss nontheless.

 

I would say yes that would most likely be one of them.

Denny

 

Question about Delta and Virgin. Why swap out one LAX and ATL slot? What difference does it make if Virgin was doing two LAX and Delta two ATL to London flights and now have one Virgin/one Delta from LAX and one Virgin/one Delta from ATL? Isn't the net result still the same?

 

I would think it is about branding outside the JV. With the change, you have DL metal going from LAX to LHR and Virgin metal LHR to ATL. For some travellers I guess that distinction is important. With Mr Hauenstein now on the board at Virgin, and they have not been making much if any money prior to his arrival, it would seem that he might be making suggestions that will help them to profitability. And I am not sure exactly what the revenue sharing agreement is between us, but the bottom line is that if they make money, we make money. I am still waiting to see if they drop one of the 2-3 747s that go into MCO everyday. I think they are kind of in the same boat as UAL in that their gauge is a little messed up. They have nothing but big iron, and that is a hindrance to flexibility.

Sorry for the long winded response, but thanks for taking my mind off the other abomination we have before us.

 

Are there any block hour limits on the proposed CDOs, other than FAR limits? I could see maybe ATL-JAX, but no way a transcon, or realistically anything scheduled over 1+30. We all know how the operation falls apart at the end of the day.

 

But I thought we all wanted SDPs. Apparently that's what "the survey" said.

Clamping down the C12 survey results had been a gift that keeps on giving for Dalpa.