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Old 06-02-2014 | 07:25 AM
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The EtD is advertised as being a Delta staffing solution but it seems to be an Endeavor staffing solution to me. I doubt Delta cares if they leave for another major as long as they come to Endeavor as their stepping stone.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Well, unfortunately, dALPA doesn't do the hiring at Delta Air Lines.
They don't, but an this is a unilateral attempt by management to solve locally an much broader industry problem. In order to solve it all stake holders need to be involved, specifically ALPA.

The program is full of holes and landmines, many that might have been avoided by consulting and partnering with DALPA. Instead they went it alone and are counting on a tepid protest, or even tacit approval from the MEC.

I'd love to see the Donatelli of some videos of years past, and throw this ill-conceived program back with an ALPA stamp of disapproval.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
They don't, but at other properties in the past, flow throughs have been at least partially been negotiated by ALPA as part of section 1 Scope protections, specifically flow backs.

I guess the Co. didn't see the need to exercise the highly vaunted engagement on this. Or maybe it's just a one way-street
Why do we care about any of this? Not being obstinate, just wondering...

Originally Posted by Fly4hire
They don't, but an this is a unilateral attempt by management to solve locally an much broader industry problem. In order to solve it all stake holders need to be involved, specifically ALPA.

The program is full of holes and landmines, many that might have been avoided by consulting and partnering with DALPA. Instead they went it alone and are counting on a tepid protest, or even tacit approval from the MEC.

I'd love to see the Donatelli of some videos of years past, and throw this ill-conceived program back with an ALPA stamp of disapproval.

Again, why? It might be nice to have ALPA involved, but it certainly is not incumbent upon us to solve this problem. As a matter of fact, our helping might lessen any leverage we might have down the road. If managements get into panic mode, they will come to us, and that creates leverage.
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
I am starting to think airshows are not for me, as we lost another one this weekend.

RIP, Bill Cowden, MSP 7ER. While I didn't know him, I know a few of his friends, and they are devastated.

UPDATE: Police identify pilot killed in plane crash - WAOW - Newsline 9, Wausau News, Weather, Sports
Old 06-02-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
No job security ... company can furlough Delta pilots while hiring at Endeavor

Do you seriously think this is an issue? I guess we can bring it up in C15 if it really bothers you, but I think it is much ado about little. They still have to decipher a way to attract pilots to a minimum wage job, and I don't believe they are gonna be knocking any doors off of any hinges to get that.
Old 06-02-2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Later this morning Endeavor and Delta will jointly announce the Endeavor to Delta Pilot Hiring
and Commitment Program (EtD Commitment) that was structured jointly by both airlines. The
EtD Commitment is designed to attract the most competitive pilots to Endeavor by identifying a
clear career path to Delta with a level of commitment for a job at a major carrier that no other
regional carrier is offering. With competition for qualified pilots among regional carriers as tight
as ever, the EtD Commitment is expected to bolster Endeavor’s ability to attract career-minded
pilots while positioning Endeavor for growth –and that’s good for all Endeavor people.
Complete details of the EtD Commitment can be found at Endeavor Air but here are
some of the highlights, as well as important enhancements to the SSP program:
o Starting June 15, the EtD Commitment will use Delta’s rigorous two-day interview protocol to
select all new-hire Endeavor pilots based on the same high standards used by Delta,
allowing for differences in experience. Delta representatives also will be involved in this
selection process. Applicant screening under the new EtD Commitment will begin
immediately.

o Starting June 15, all pilots who receive a conditional job offer at Endeavor will be offered a
commitment to be hired by Delta once all eligibility requirements are satisfied. These pilots
will not be required to re-interview with Delta or otherwise participate in the normal Delta
pilot selection process.

o Current Endeavor pilots eligible for Delta’s Streamlined Selection Process (SSP) will be
offered an opportunity to interview with Delta before any pilot in the EtD Commitment
program is “called up.” Should a current Endeavor pilot be unsuccessful in applying with
Delta, s/he will continue flying with Endeavor, whereas new-hire applicants who are not
selected under Delta’s protocol via the EtD Commitment will not be offered employment at
Endeavor.

o Delta and Endeavor have agreed to provide current Endeavor pilots hired after the Bridge
Agreement and prior to the EtD Commitment implementation with the same seniority-order
SSP interview opportunity as other Endeavor pilots. These pilots will now have a similar
opportunity to compete for a Delta job as SSP pilots.

o Delta and Endeavor also have agreed to bolster career stability and progression for current
Endeavor pilots by increasing the rate of hiring under the SSP to 35 percent of all available
new hire pilot positions in a calendar year, or 300 pilots in a calendar year, whichever is
less. So in a year when Delta hires 600 new-hire pilots (excluding Compass flow ups), 210,
or 35 percent, will come from SSP-eligible Endeavor pilots. As a result, going forward the
SSP and EtD Commitment will fill approximately one third of Delta’s pilot hiring needs,
allowing for continuous and enhanced career progression for current and new Endeavor
pilots.
If anyone thinks this interview process will be as selective as the DAL one, you need to step away from the crack pipe.

I'm still not sure this will work to get people to come to work for 5 years of slave wages in return for a promise. I guess we will see. Overall, this is bad for all parties involved.
Old 06-02-2014 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
I am starting to think airshows are not for me, as we lost another one this weekend.

RIP, Bill Cowden, MSP 7ER. While I didn't know him, I know a few of his friends, and they are devastated.

UPDATE: Police identify pilot killed in plane crash - WAOW - Newsline 9, Wausau News, Weather, Sports
Sad. He was also once part of the 'Hooligan' F-16 Squadron in Fargo, same as 'Fang' (Jim Maroney).

GJ
Old 06-02-2014 | 08:16 AM
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It's good to see delta buying more commuter friendly airplanes.


Delta buys more Airbus jets | www.ajc.com

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Delta Air Lines is buying an additional 15 Airbus A321 planes to replace smaller, less-efficient aircraft.
The 15 planes come on top of 30 A321s Atlanta-based Delta ordered last year. The airline said the new 192-seat planes will improve the flying experience for customers.
Delta did not disclose the value of the deal, but the list price for an A321 is $110.1 million.
The first A321 will begin flying for Delta in early 2016, with in-flight wi-fi, live satellite TV and other entertainment. The 15 additional planes will be delivered starting in 2018.
Old 06-02-2014 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
It's good to see delta buying more commuter friendly airplanes.


Delta buys more Airbus jets | www.ajc.com
I've heard the new A321's will only have one cockpit jumpseat. Hope we get the two.
Old 06-02-2014 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
Do you think this new program will help stop or slow the bleeding though?
No. At best it will help for a short while. Once the other Majors institute a similar program we will be right back were we started. Kind of like using an S2 to go first and then everyone else uses an S2 also.

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