Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
According to the APA public web page, a contract comparison with the APA new contract, Delta, United, Southwest and some other carriers was completed and posted on their website by their negotiating committee on Feb. 13, 2014.
Can anyone get a copy and email/PM me with it? I think it would be interesting to see and maybe clear up some misconceptions... Did I use the right word Carl?
Denny
Can anyone get a copy and email/PM me with it? I think it would be interesting to see and maybe clear up some misconceptions... Did I use the right word Carl?

Denny
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Yes. How many majors operate a domestic international hub without a narrow body pilot base? We have zero narrow body based pilots in SEA and 80-ish 737 CA seats at LAX. That's 160-ish NB pilots on the west coast! How is that even possible? Look at section one. Look at SEA will never be a hub regardless of the number of daily departures. It's exempted from Section 1 altogether. Look at the Alaska agreement, LAX is exempted. So if another major airline is flying our passengers out of these hubs unrestricted I would say yes, thousands. Didn't Western have 1,400 pilots at LAX alone? Who took over that lift? What part of our contract allowed us to dismantle an entire coast and outsource it?
Where exactly do you think Skywest, Compass and the rest of DCI are flying those 325 CRJ900s and E175s?
You know what would make me an ALPA supporter and many others? Acknowledgent that we f--- up over the years and that going forward there will no longer be side deals under the table, selling out good careers, a promise to defend pilots from the various threats and extract leverage when possible. Do those things and we have a deal. Till then I'll keep my 155s thumping away.
I like Delta as much as the next guy, probably more so. I do believe mid to upper level managers lack respect for our unity.
Unity will not come from blading DPA. It will come when it's obvious there is no other group of individuals that have our best interests. After LM and TO I am not a fan.
Where exactly do you think Skywest, Compass and the rest of DCI are flying those 325 CRJ900s and E175s?
You know what would make me an ALPA supporter and many others? Acknowledgent that we f--- up over the years and that going forward there will no longer be side deals under the table, selling out good careers, a promise to defend pilots from the various threats and extract leverage when possible. Do those things and we have a deal. Till then I'll keep my 155s thumping away.
I like Delta as much as the next guy, probably more so. I do believe mid to upper level managers lack respect for our unity.
Unity will not come from blading DPA. It will come when it's obvious there is no other group of individuals that have our best interests. After LM and TO I am not a fan.
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A blast from the past...........
Base, Aircraft, Seat # of openings, Most senior pilot, Most junior pilot, Reason for opening
ATL M11 CAPT 15 00052 01166 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N CAPT 5 00517 04665 BID ADJUSTMENT
ATL 777 F/O 8 01432 04518 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL M11 F/O 15 00877 07273 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N F/O 5 03551 09079 BID ADJUSTMENT
CVG 767CAPT 5 00422 04720 CAP REDUCTION
CVG 767 F/O 5 02215 09512 CAP REDUCTION
CVG M88 F/O 34 05040 09690 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
DFW 767 CAPT 5 00273 02686 CAP REDUCTION
DFW 767 F/O 5 03196 08032 CAP REDUCTION
DFW M88 F/O 11 04506 09748 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
LAX 765 CAPT 10 00043 01016 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767CAPT 5 00301 03847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
LAX 765 F/O 10 02120 04625 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767 F/O 5 03082 09191 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S CAPT 7 03233 08722 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S F/O 29 06966 09745 NEW HIRE POSITION
NYC 7ER CAPT 5 00093 02097 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N CAPT 20 01318 05847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC 7ER F/O 10 02256 08250 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N F/O 20 04956 09660 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC M88 F/O 20 05922 09743 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
SLC 767 CAPT 5 00157 03834 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N CAPT 5 01105 04157 BID ADJUSTMENT
SLC767 F/O 5 02439 09317 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N F/O 5 03667 09426 BID ADJUSTMENT
Base, Aircraft, Seat # of openings, Most senior pilot, Most junior pilot, Reason for opening
ATL M11 CAPT 15 00052 01166 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N CAPT 5 00517 04665 BID ADJUSTMENT
ATL 777 F/O 8 01432 04518 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL M11 F/O 15 00877 07273 ADDITIONAL FLYING
ATL 73N F/O 5 03551 09079 BID ADJUSTMENT
CVG 767CAPT 5 00422 04720 CAP REDUCTION
CVG 767 F/O 5 02215 09512 CAP REDUCTION
CVG M88 F/O 34 05040 09690 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
DFW 767 CAPT 5 00273 02686 CAP REDUCTION
DFW 767 F/O 5 03196 08032 CAP REDUCTION
DFW M88 F/O 11 04506 09748 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
LAX 765 CAPT 10 00043 01016 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767CAPT 5 00301 03847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
LAX 765 F/O 10 02120 04625 NEW CATEGORY
LAX 767 F/O 5 03082 09191 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S CAPT 7 03233 08722 ADDITIONAL FLYING
MCO 73S F/O 29 06966 09745 NEW HIRE POSITION
NYC 7ER CAPT 5 00093 02097 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N CAPT 20 01318 05847 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC 7ER F/O 10 02256 08250 STAFF ADJUSTMENT
NYC 73N F/O 20 04956 09660 ADDITIONAL FLYING
NYC M88 F/O 20 05922 09743 UNFILLED PREV BIDS
SLC 767 CAPT 5 00157 03834 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N CAPT 5 01105 04157 BID ADJUSTMENT
SLC767 F/O 5 02439 09317 ADDITIONAL FLYING
SLC 73N F/O 5 03667 09426 BID ADJUSTMENT
If I had to predict, the NC will bring the reps a signed TA something close to that with the cost of those pay raises fully funded by concessions in other areas. You will quote the MEC administation's mantra of a huge victory and the time value of money. Management will tell Wall Street that the pilots have agreed to another cost neutral contract. DALPA will say we got a billion dollars out of them without showing any data to prove it. MEC will pursue massive sales and fear campaign. You and sailingfud will do what you always do. Then it will pass 60-40.
It all depends on when Richard tells our "union" that it's time to sign a new contract.
Carl
It all depends on when Richard tells our "union" that it's time to sign a new contract.
Carl
Ummmmmm........Shirley.............Ummmmm!
Denny
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