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Old 06-11-2014 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Does your tune ever change?
I'd appreciate it if you would answer the question. Seriously. You have 4500 posts on here. Many of which seem to focus on "we are not very productive, we shouldn't expect much in our next contract, the NMB will eat us for lunch if we try anything, restoration is a pipe dream, don't rock the boat."

Honestly what is it you are trying to accomplish? Are you a pilot? Do you have a management position? Have you been or are you currently in the upper leadership of ALPA?
Old 06-11-2014 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So what in my post do you find incorrect or inaccurate.
Wut? You commented on his tone. You never back off your condescending tone on this forum, either.
Old 06-11-2014 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Wut? You commented on his tone. You never back off your condescending tone on this forum, either.
He's falling back on his lawyerly ways now 80. The old respond with a question to a question technique.
Old 06-11-2014 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
They have been behind the curve for so long -- lagging behind the rest of the industry in pay and benefits -- it's amazing to see anyone come out to defend them right now.


IMO, it's too soon.
They are turning it around, to be fair. Unlike UA, they appear to actually want to run a profitable airline.

Al might be a bit upset that he can no longer touch the seat belt sign nor make a PA as an FO, too.
Old 06-11-2014 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They are turning it around, to be fair. Unlike UA, they appear to actually want to run a profitable airline.

Al might be a bit upset that he can no longer touch the seat belt sign nor make a PA as an FO, too.
That's good to hear. But, to me, it's still too soon.
Old 06-11-2014 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Uhhhhh................can't think of what to say.................must distract with picture of babe.........oops.............first picture to big.............



Ahhhhhhhhh...................just right!

Denny
Good God Man!

Is that an outie, or an innie?

I'm going innie!
Old 06-11-2014 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Uhhhhh................can't think of what to say.................must distract with picture of babe.........oops.............first picture to big.............



Ahhhhhhhhh...................just right!

Denny
I need something without all that airbrushing.

TEN
Old 06-11-2014 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
They have been behind the curve for so long -- lagging behind the rest of the industry in pay and benefits -- it's amazing to see anyone come out to defend them right now.


IMO, it's too soon.
We need to take a pay cut so we can compete against them and work harder so as to be more efficient or the NMB will impose it on us

Never too early to start lowering expectations for the next opener.
Old 06-11-2014 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
PBS was just under 5%. The biggest manning changes over time were elimination of the hard cap,bow wave and vacation changes. The average Block hours per pilot has increased from 600 to 800 per year. Having said that we are still one of the least efficient us airlines.



Sailing,

That will be managements talking point for 2015 and it is a little more complicated than that.

Least efficient at what? Flying block hours or producing revenue?

While we average fewer block hours than SWA per pilot, we produce more revenue per pilot. What more directly affects the bottom line when it comes to producing profits revenue or block hours? Can you even fully separate the two?

Management touts their skill in properly gauging the airline and putting the optimal aircraft on every route. Well to do this it takes a diverse fleet that increases training, reserves required, etc.

So it is disingenuous to say that we "one of the least effcient airlines" if this "inefficiency" actually enables us to maximize revenue.

I know you are very knowledgeable about this stuff but some Pilots are not. All considered, I don't think casually stating an arguable management talking point as a fact does the Pilot group any good.

OBTW - Other airlines can bank sick leave which may encourage Pilots to fly when not quite 100%, while a Pilot who can not bank sick leave (Delta Pilots) may decide it would be better to call in sick. So one thing management can do immediately to increase block time per Pilot is to allow us to bank sick leave.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents.

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Old 06-11-2014 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
PBS was just under 5%. The biggest manning changes over time were elimination of the hard cap,bow wave and vacation changes. The average Block hours per pilot has increased from 600 to 800 per year. Having said that we are still one of the least efficient us airlines.
Management chooses to operate a wide variety of aircraft. This corresponds to inefficiency in training.

How is that anything we should address as pilots when considering the value we provide the company. We do not need to strive to close that efficiency gap as it is not a product of our work rules.

Try again fan boy.
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