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Old 07-08-2014 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Good point, Kyle, and I agree, that Jerry's assumption is way off.
Would you agree that we have had 111 retirements year to date? Per our DALPA website?

Do you agree with Kyle we will have only 183 by year end?
Old 07-08-2014 | 02:12 AM
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Mind you I realize the company will argue that there is a pilot shortage and we need more productivity and more time at work and there's your pay raise. you don't even need more money per hour, at the end of the year you are paid more!

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Old 07-08-2014 | 03:02 AM
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Old 07-08-2014 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The reason the numbers don't work is each time a pilot leaves early yup have to remove him from the age 65 year that was his mandatory retirement. If 170 pilots leave early this year who would have gone out in 2015 then you are now at zero planned retirements for 15.
Good Point. But all the earlies are not necessarily 64.
Old 07-08-2014 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Would you agree that we have had 111 retirements year to date? Per our DALPA website?

Do you agree with Kyle we will have only 183 by year end?
I agree we've had 111 thus far. 56 of those were age 65 mandatory. We'll have another 62 mandatory and probably 60 other, for a total of approximately 230 this year, and while that happens to be 2x the mandatory as you mention, it also happens to be mandatory plus 1% of the list.

In the coming years, with the bulge of pilots over age 60, I suspect the 1% non-mandatory group will be slightly larger, but it won't be 2x the actual, so if you're looking for predictions:

2015: 300 (170 age 65 plus 130 more)
2016: 370 (230 age 65 plus 140 more)

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Old 07-08-2014 | 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I will say this about profit sharing. I'm the only guy on here who thinks it's a bad thing..............so what does that tell ya
Sorry to burst your bubble. You are a not alone. I share your view about profit sharing.

I am not management. I am not a stockholder. I am an hourly wage worker. I do not change how I conduct my little operation based on corporate profitability.

I want this compensation in my pay rates and work rules. Both for the good years and bad years.
Old 07-08-2014 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Sorry to burst your bubble. You are a not alone. I share your view about profit sharing.

I am not management. I am not a stockholder. I am an hourly wage worker. I do not change how I conduct my little operation based on corporate profitability.

I want this compensation in my pay rates and work rules. Both for the good years and bad years.
I disagree. I want to keep the profit sharing but not because we happen to be making record profits at the moment. Rather, I believe management will always be willing to pay more, in the long run, when a portion of it is tied to profitability, because they know they can afford it.

They still remember C2K, where we continued to take 4.5% raises while the company was losing literally billions, so they will be hesitant to pay us what we "deserve" without the flexibility to reduce it when the bad times come. So, I'm willing to risk the downside, but keep the upside when its here. It is also a way to pay us more without looking like our payrates are outliers compared to our peers.
Old 07-08-2014 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
I am not management. I am not a stockholder. I am an hourly wage worker. I do not change how I conduct my little operation based on corporate profitability.
True. But the efficiency with which we do our jobs (or not) does have an impact on the operation and the ultimate profitability of the corporation.

Originally Posted by orvil
I want this compensation in my pay rates and work rules. Both for the good years and bad years.
I would like that too. Unfortunately, we've all seen how that's worked out over the years.
Old 07-08-2014 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Good Point. But all the earlies are not necessarily 64.
No but they have to be removed from whatever year they would have gone out later. I think we have around 600 retirements planned for 2018. It 300 of those leave between now and 2017 that planned number is down to 300 for 2018 when you start the year.
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Originally Posted by orvil
Sorry to burst your bubble. You are a not alone. I share your view about profit sharing.

I am not management. I am not a stockholder. I am an hourly wage worker. I do not change how I conduct my little operation based on corporate profitability.

I want this compensation in my pay rates and work rules. Both for the good years and bad years.
I.understand where you are.coming from but why should we give.up or.trade anything?

We need to.keep.what we have and make.historic gains.

This is not a concessionary contract.
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