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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Not to mention that she obviously didn't listen to what the man said... A better response would have been to sit there slack jawed rather than ask about his military training... Yeah.. he was right. MSNBC strikes again.
That's exactly right.

You know I love ya NewK, but it's not too much to ask of an anchor for them to actually listen to the person they're interviewing. Then make your follow up questions based upon what the person being interviewed actually says.

It's also not too much to ask of a network to vet anyone they're going to put on the air live. And if you can't vet them, at least put them on a 10 second delay.

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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:06 AM
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It's because ALL the 24/7 news outlets hire talking heads with perfect hair/teeth/boobs and only ask what a producer in their headset asks. I'm not sure which is worse in that regard, FOX or MSNBC. One seems to prefer blonds
Old 07-18-2014 | 07:09 AM
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TIME OUT TIME OUT TIME OUT

for a technical question.............

I'm trying to do a swap with the pot. I'm swapping a trip later in Aug with any one of 4 trips earlier in Aug. Currently I have 4 separate swaps in, but can I do them in one? Will the system look at the first one I want then roll into the second I want etc. Or, did I do it right with 4 independent requests?

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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
In your opinion, a pilot group is united as long as they see things your way. You have never demonstrated one instance of agreement with a group that doesn't believe it is Carl's way or the highway. Never.
It's just not the case t. I've learned way more here than I've ever given. My opinions have changed a lot based on what some have posted here.

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And it is muvch much deeper than "voicing your opinion". I don't particularly want to go back to your post about "working to ensure that no more like you ever work in union work again".
That's true. When it comes to those MEC admins who were there in C2012, I will absolutely work to ensure they never get back to the trough. Although one is back already albeit in a different capacity.

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And your first statement is complete and utter bulldung. We all know exactly when we will leave.
No we don't tsquare. None of us do. Think about it.

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I can tell you this. If I had your resume, I'd have 7 figures in the bank. If you don't, that's on you.
Thanks...I think.

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You are as transparent as they come Carl.
Hey, I'm just trying to be like your guy Obama. You know, the most transparent member of APC in history?

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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hug your mothers gentlemen.
Oh no...please tell us your Mom is OK.

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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Just a what if. If... there were 5 year category freezes, what if they had a pilot friendly "out". For example, what if you could put in your bid as a condition that if you got the bid based on a number/percentage, if you ever fell below that number/percentage, your freeze was lifted? I am not saying that I am in favor of 5 year freezes, but if they had a way out for things caused by management, they might be more acceptable. If management wants something that is viewed as onerous, if that can be eviscerated, it might not be so bad.
I like it! (without agreeing to a 5 year freeze, which is just a little out there)

There was an airline in a galaxy far far away where you were either line or reserve. If you bid and could hold a line then you were a line holder. Way too many moving parts to try and do that now of course (i.e. temping to reserve some months) for me to suggest going back.

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Old 07-18-2014 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
A plan cannot be developed until the objective is set. I would start with setting the objective of restoring our contract so that our compensation and work rules provide a standard of living comparable to what Delta pilots experienced in the 1980's though early 2000's time frame. I would communicate this objective clearly so that all concerned (line pilots, management, Wall Street, etc.) are aware of it. Accompanying this would be a lot of material showing exactly how much of a hit we've taken over the past decade, how much it would take to restore our compensation going forward, and how little pilot costs actually are in the grand scheme of things. Might not hurt to show how other employees (especially management) have mostly or even completely recovered (and in some cases even exceeded) their buying power from 10 years ago. What is DALPA's objective? Do you even know? Do any of us even know??

BTW, I don't disagree with you about not focusing solely on pay rates. Whatever it takes to increase the W2. Pay rates, work rules, or some combination of the two. Bottom line is that our compensation needs about a 50% boost for our buying power to be fully restored. That might be a little steep, given how much of a hole DALPA has dug us into over the past decade by acting like bankruptcy level compensation is the new normal and we're just happy for ANY improvement to that. So I might could agree to Jerry's 20% (to W2, not necessarily just pay rates) on day one... as long as the subsequent years of the contract provided some pretty significant improvements as well.
There are a couple of problems with your statements. The first is that no other employee groups at Delta are close to the buying power they once had. In fact you could make that statement about the entire industry. We do have some employee groups making the same hourly wage however that's a small part of the story. Their retirement went from a 60% FAE plan to a 6 % DC plan. Large employee segments were moved to part time. Other groups simply had their jobs eliminated or moved to DGS.
The second is stating how little we cost. Pilot costs have historically run from 6 to 10 percent of the cost to produce our product. You will not find anyone who has ever run a business call that little especially in view of the fact this is a industry with many fixed costs.
When you start this campaign management will simply state that Delta pilots are the best compensated pilots in the US passenger airline industry. The rest will fall to the NMB. What is your plan for them.
Old 07-18-2014 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hug your mothers gentlemen.
+ 1

even if they are still around, but not real sure who you are On any given day, I'm a cousin she grew up with...........
Old 07-18-2014 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
You finally posted something that I can get onboard with.

Personally, I think that profit sharing should pay quarterly. TVM and all that
OK OK OK

I love profit sharing

See, I can bend to the will of the majority
Old 07-18-2014 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Why the defeatist attitude?
Not sure I'd call that a defeatist attitude.

Doesn't a pilot look at a situation and then try to anticipate all possible outcomes so he can devise a plan to succeed and come out on top? Is his outcome not possible?

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