Originally Posted by shiznit

Methinks you missed my point... I think it's a stupid idea to withhold services to "send a message that we are underpaid" by claiming a sick call as the cover. IIRC, American (and maybe United also) pilots got in legal trouble over "protest" sick calls. Performing job actions outside of self help are a risky move given the way the courts have handed down anti-labor rulings under the RLA in the last 15-20 years. Bad idea all the way around. The only way is to resign or get hired where you will be compensated accordingly, not by abuse of sick leave language.

Between the big 3, they plan on hiring nearly 3500 pilots in the next 18 months....equivalent to the entire pilot groups at Republic and Compass just disappearing.

In 3-5 years it will equal or eclipse that to the tune of another 5000-7000 again and that's not even including JB, SWA, FDX, NK, UPS, or ALK.

The problem will fix itself soon because the pipline is empty due to the short-term MBA outsourcing paradigm. Main line pilots need to hold the line and continue to shrink the bottom end (and top end but different discussion) outsourcing as opportunities present themselves.

I have a mental picture that we will be seeing the return of the DC9/727 routes on 717/M88's doing ATL-SHV-MLU-SHV-ATL, ATL-BHM-JAN-BHM-ATL, etc. in the near future as the passenger demand for those cities is stable but the separate lift capability due to no pilots to fly the block hours on a separate leg.

But hey, if I could read the future I wouldn't be hanging out on the internet with you clowns!

Originally Posted by johnso29

12.00/14.00/9.00 should be your FDP limits.

12 hours of duty without the extension
14 hours of duty with the extension
9 hours max flight time.

You should also have your PWA duty limitations. You'll see these as two numbers. An example would be 7.42/12.46

If you would like a more detailed explanation log on to the DALPA website and access the library. Search for Scheduling Alert 14-03.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

You are going to have to explain.

Without a pre-nup there would be no JPWA and no support from either ALPA, or management.

Hypothetically we could work together on a consensus proposal. Without ALPA to facilitate that really can't happen.

Yes, the Delta pilots could negotiate with Delta to kill outsourcing. But, frankly, your scope negotiations have been more effective than ours. Management is complying with yours; ours not so much.

Question: Since your contract and our contract is now with the same management, is it proper to use the term "our management" ? Certainly at the level these decisions are made, it is the same people calling the shots.

Originally Posted by duece12345

Awesome info, thanks.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Shiz,

I do not know about the rest of the carriers, but we are cutting more RJ flying than the 1,000 pilots a year we are hiring can absorb through 2017.

Bigger airplanes = Fewer Airplanes = Cost Savings

Originally Posted by duece12345

Awesome info, thanks.

Originally Posted by scambo1

I don't understand mine craft speak.

Example: I'm going to the nether to spawn zombie pig men, but first I need obsidian and flint and steel.

My son is a geek. Or am I?

Originally Posted by buzzpat

You are. I am too. Both my sons speak the same way.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

...your scope negotiations have been more effective than ours. Management is complying with yours; ours not so much.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Ultimately, they went along with what I decided, which delayed the flight the next morning by over 3 hours. But I got the impression they were doing that based on my assessment that I wouldn't be rested for the flight any earlier than that and NOT based on the 8 hour sleep opportunity specified in FAR 117. I did write an ASR on the situation and never heard anything back from it.

It appears there is some difference in interpretation on some of the rules in play here. (Although with this particular rule, I don't see how it's open to any interpretation as it is very clearly worded.) Anyway, word to the wise, be careful out there. It's one thing to do what you can to help the company out within the context of our contract (which I am more than willing to do in most situations) but it's quite another thing to violate an FAR.