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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1697716)

Also remember, 744 cruises at much faster speeds. I dont know the pilot staffing for our legs but I know my friend at UAL does 2 man flights from NRT-HNL//NGO-HNL..

TEN

Yeah. There's obviously a lot more to it.

777 ultra long trips are pretty appealing to me. I know we are talking about 744's, but the idea of trading longer trips for shorter trips is a QOL reduction in my view regardless of pay.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1697680)

Here's the key point: IT WOULDN'T BE STOPPING COMMERECE. The company could decide at its sole discretion which routes they wanted to fly, and which they did not. Ending the JV would simply mean that Delta pilots would figure into management's equation on the commerece that management decides to pursue.

How you can say that doesn't help Delta pilots is beyond me.

Carl

YGTBKM. Delta would draw down significantly. Yeah it wouldn't stop it, but it would certainly lead to huge stagnation. We don't make money taking people from the US to NRT only... it is the points beyond... and the 6 to here... 10 to there.. that fill up YOUR airplane. Without those, we don't need whales. But you know this, you are just being obstinate.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1697720)

The replacement flying is normally the same routes. Differences in manning should not be a big factor. Speed could play a small part on routes that are borderline between 2 or 3 pilots or 3 or 4 pilots. The 787 I think has a normal cruise speed of around . 85.

Thanks. I think I'm conflating big with long.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1697680)

Ending the JV is stopping commerce. That commerce may or may not be replaced by Delta airplanes flown by Delta pilots. Apparently, you think it will be replaced. I'm not as optimistic.

I think the point is moot since I don't think an arbitrator would end the JV and I'm certain Delta wouldn't willingly give it up. The company is presumably a few percentage points out of compliance. I doubt an arbitrator would be on board to grenade something that is already agreed to in principle over a small percentage. Again, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1697694)

Even if you could get past the near impossibility of how you would realistically transition to your longevity based pay system, it ignores what I think would be a devastating impact on jobs. Specifically, it would incentivize the company to buy larger aircraft since we would have taken pay based on revenue production out of the equation. Further, it would make our smaller aircraft relatively more expensive to operate thus putting more pressure on outsourcing the bottom end. These two points add a compounding effect to job destruction.

With our current system, we are seeing a reduction in large aircraft which means pilots will be displaced to lower paying positions. I get that. But it's requiring more jobs. If I had to choose between higher pay for fewer jobs, or slightly lower pay for many more jobs...I choose the latter.

Carl

The transition would have to take place in steps obviously. Our pay has little to do with what airplanes the company buys. You need to get over that egotistical stance. They are going to buy whatever makes money for the enterprise. They aren't gonna buy a hundred 747-800s if you take a paycut.

And since it appears that you haven't been paying attention, where on earth do you think they are going to outsource bottom end flying to? Endeavor is losing 40 captains/month, and getting 3 replacements if they are lucky. Pay attention Carl.. Good grief.

The only thing you said in the entire missive above that I agree with it highlighted. Other than that...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1697661)

Which policies are you talking about?

Want to start with immigration, or education? Or perhaps we could discuss the thousands of pages of onerous regulation that this administration has foisted upon business in the name of "green" energy (for start). Sweeping back the ocean in terms of benefit that stuff is, and the only ones paying the price are the American taxpayer and workers. And the abysmal, poorly thought and hastily enacted "A"CA... Then there's the foreign policy debacles....

Decades to undo the damage.

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1697712)

Although I am a conservative, I dislike this man ^^^^^^ because he dislikes us. His son is an AA pilot (from what I have heard over the years) and they hate each other.

TEN

I know someone who flies with his son from time to time.

Let's just say it's TOTD every time.

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1697721)

I saw this bumper sticker. I agree with it.

"If 10% is enough for GOD, 10% is enough for the IRS"

This is the solution for all of our problems. I even think 8% will do the trick..

TEN

Yup... Too bad it will never happen though... Too many scumbag lawyers would be out of work

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Originally Posted by casual observer (Post 1697413)

If we're getting rid of old 747's, the only sensible thing to do would be to replace them with new ones.

http://www.pro-travel-tips.com/image...opshot_580.jpg

There is no money in 4 engined aircraft. Except for every foreign carrier under the sun. And United. And all the cargo oprators. But there's no money in cargo either.

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1697525)

Which party do you think is more pilot friendly?

Actually the R's are the ones making noise about finally letting the facist "Bank of Boeing" die off. The D's are squealing bloody murder about Boeing jobs, because they believe everything comes from central planners and concentrated power at the highest levels.

The #denynai support we've been seeing so far is fairly bi-partisan.

The D's have done little to nothing to actually help pilot labor. The R's have at least pushed back for slightly reducing the rate of growth of government and graciously allowing us to keep a slightly bigger portion of the government property we temporarilly possess (our income).

Then there's ticket taxes and secret hidden fees. Both sides have been fairly quiet on that until recently.

To say R = anti pilot and D = pro pilot is an extreme stretch.