Ending the JV is stopping commerce. That commerce may or may not be replaced by Delta airplanes flown by Delta pilots. Apparently, you think it will be replaced. I'm not as optimistic.

I think the point is moot since I don't think an arbitrator would end the JV and I'm certain Delta wouldn't willingly give it up. The company is presumably a few percentage points out of compliance. I doubt an arbitrator would be on board to grenade something that is already agreed to in principle over a small percentage. Again, the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

 

The transition would have to take place in steps obviously. Our pay has little to do with what airplanes the company buys. You need to get over that egotistical stance. They are going to buy whatever makes money for the enterprise. They aren't gonna buy a hundred 747-800s if you take a paycut.

And since it appears that you haven't been paying attention, where on earth do you think they are going to outsource bottom end flying to? Endeavor is losing 40 captains/month, and getting 3 replacements if they are lucky. Pay attention Carl.. Good grief.

The only thing you said in the entire missive above that I agree with it highlighted. Other than that...

 

Want to start with immigration, or education? Or perhaps we could discuss the thousands of pages of onerous regulation that this administration has foisted upon business in the name of "green" energy (for start). Sweeping back the ocean in terms of benefit that stuff is, and the only ones paying the price are the American taxpayer and workers. And the abysmal, poorly thought and hastily enacted "A"CA... Then there's the foreign policy debacles....

Decades to undo the damage.

 

I know someone who flies with his son from time to time.

Let's just say it's TOTD every time.

 

Yup... Too bad it will never happen though... Too many scumbag lawyers would be out of work

 

There is no money in 4 engined aircraft. Except for every foreign carrier under the sun. And United. And all the cargo oprators. But there's no money in cargo either.

 

Actually the R's are the ones making noise about finally letting the facist "Bank of Boeing" die off. The D's are squealing bloody murder about Boeing jobs, because they believe everything comes from central planners and concentrated power at the highest levels.

The #denynai support we've been seeing so far is fairly bi-partisan.

The D's have done little to nothing to actually help pilot labor. The R's have at least pushed back for slightly reducing the rate of growth of government and graciously allowing us to keep a slightly bigger portion of the government property we temporarilly possess (our income).

Then there's ticket taxes and secret hidden fees. Both sides have been fairly quiet on that until recently.

To say R = anti pilot and D = pro pilot is an extreme stretch.

 

We need the jobs not a 3% raise. And the last thing we should agree to is another 3 year blank check. They willingly, knowingly, flagrantly violated their own agreement and their own "rules of the road" by not honoring their deals. They just committed a huge act of bad faith, during the "cure period" they had no intention of ever honoring. That can't be rewarded with a 1 year COLA and another 3 year blank check.

 

Were you worse off in 2007 than you were in 2001? The failed policies of central planning and trillion dollar stimulus fake economics he and his party are barfing into this economy will be devistating when they correct. Even during the upswing unemployment, underemployment and real GDP (not including government debt spending) are horrendous.

 

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LBP=more stagnation and less jobs = huge concession! I'm all for movement which the company is obviously very opposed. Every move since our merger has limited true progression either from increased production requiring less pilots or JV agreements sacrificing premium flying, requiring less pilots. The reason this LBP keeps coming up is it's next on the agenda! The company is after one thing….fewer of us as possible!! I expect to hear the drum beat of benefits of LBP very soon from our very own association.

I encourage all to shoot this down just like the CDOs. It will come in charts and fancy stats etc…But it's arrival will mean more of the same, stagnation and less jobs overall.

T will argue the company will buy whatever they want regardless of pilot pay. I don't think the billions of RJs purchased support your claim. Our pay structure is not a small factor in what they purchase.