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Old 08-16-2014 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Yes, but the aircraft are already on order.

Sounds like a bad investment to me.
Old 08-16-2014 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
I would suggest no penalty.

I'm not interested in penalties.

I'm interested in integrity when it comes to the company. That means Delta "making it right" and keeping the deal that was agreed to over four years ago.

Go ahead, let the company take one more year and and bring our share of flying to the upper end of the compliance window to 51.5% on a three year look-back by March 30, 2015 and we all win.

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If we're out of balance already, and we're pulling down more over the Atlantic (even if its just a reduction in growth, its still a capacity transfer away from there) and AF/KLM is adding a 380 per day to MIA (a lot of block hours) I think the writing is on the wall. They have no intention to "keep their deals" other than assuming we will just excuse the deal in the first place. Perhaps for money. Maybe that'll be their first move after another bad faith zero percent raise opener. OK, OK, a COLA raise plus a couple percent, but only if…


I agree with you I want the block hour/ESK's and not just for a moment but for years. There needs to be a stick for noncompliance though.

As an aside, if we morph into a AF/KLM/VA hub feeder and continue the pulldown that started from the Great ER Purge of a couple years ago, even if we split the block hour/ESK's evenly, or even if we get 51.5%, but we're only splitting the hub to hub and they get a ton of block hour growth from their hubs to destinations we currently serve, are those block hours/ESK's counted in the formula? Or is that a free way for them to transfer a ton of capacity to our "partners" without using our metal or pilots? Yes, there would be some growth in US-EU hub hours/ESK's to do that, but there would be a lot more hours/ESK's lost than gained if all those hours/ESK's suddenly went off the books because it was considered EU-EU flying.
Old 08-16-2014 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
Internet is not not required. Schedule checks can be accomplished via VRU. I suppose a phone isn't required either. You could still list a pager number then call them back on a pay phone like on The Wire.
Or just check on the company provided computers in ops.


What?

Commuting is a choice, not only for commuting by air, but living anywhere more than 10 or 15 minutes away.
Old 08-16-2014 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Sounds like a bad investment to me.
Possibly.

Keeping in mind they could:

*Infect JB

*Infect AS

*Blow shareholder money on a failed IndyAir II experiment

*Sell the orders/options to airlines around the globe

*Cancel the orders/options and likely pay little to no penalty since they likely were fantasy press release orders to begin with, unless one of the above options can somehow materialize

*Sit back and hope legacy airlines figure out how to gut their scope clauses to go for the money shot that's somehow eluded them all these years. Oh right, ASA and Mesaba flew Bach jets once and CMR almost bought Spirit and/or TWA, so there's that.



Of all their options, Mesabah's worst case scenario is by far the least likely.
Old 08-16-2014 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
Some important nuances to point out:

- They still have to call you. You don't have to answer the phone.
- You can check your schedule without acknowledging the trip. Just hit ok without putting in your password (or don't hit the ACK on the phone after the rotation is read to you.
- If you don't ACK, they won't call you. Contractually it's your responsibility now to let them know 3 hours prior if you can't make it (not fit, etc).

Bottom line, whenever you check your schedule and see nothing on it, you have at least 12 hours to sleep, commute, go to a ball game, whatever.... as long as you know that if you turn off your phone at that moment you could have a trip in 12:01 from right now.
I never ACK the trip, and they never called me.
Old 08-16-2014 | 11:29 AM
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I'm surprised no one has commented on the ALPA contact comparison yet. Glad they added in FedEx and UPS in the comparison. Still no foreign airlines though.
Old 08-16-2014 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
So.

Seriously, so.

What if they ordered an EK style air show hero 2000 super jumbos. What would that matter?

I don't see us falling for it. Not even remotely close.

They will have to find another sucker. There are two major players out there with horrible scope…AS and JB…and/or they could flail around vaporizing investor money in an IndyAir style experiment.

Either way I don't see the scrubs Bedford, Hulas and even Atkin coming even remotely close to cracking the legacy scope lines with their fantasy 100-160 seat "RJ's". That ship has sailed and sunk.
Yes, but as soon as they take delivery of such aircraft, they can no longer operate as a DCI carrier, with the exception of Republic.

The remedy for scope non compliance is the written financial penalties in the contract(which there are none), or in certain circumstances, a merger with SLI.

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Old 08-16-2014 | 12:11 PM
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I know we get a very good deal on MS Office, but does anyone know if we get a similar deal on Windows? I'm looking to do a boot camp install on my mac.

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Old 08-16-2014 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Not Alabama! There's gold in them thar hills!

Alabama may have gold in tar hills, but they also have dented helmets! Especially the end caps.
Old 08-16-2014 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
Internet is not not required. Schedule checks can be accomplished via VRU. I suppose a phone isn't required either. You could still list a pager number then call them back on a pay phone like on The Wire.
That is exactly how it worked for years and years,on reserve for up to three pieces of equipment,( DC6,7- CV880- CV440) somehow most everything got covered. Many times I thought about keeping my uniform in a phone booth.... sorta like Superman.
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