Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-13-2014, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Kindly consider this a response to FTB's point as well.
Just Council 44 is larger than FedEx. We have a highly functional political machine and there is a reason other airlines borrow from the ranks of Delta subject matter experts. We run ALPA; to the extent we want to.
Just Council 44 is larger than FedEx. We have a highly functional political machine and there is a reason other airlines borrow from the ranks of Delta subject matter experts. We run ALPA; to the extent we want to.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
However, those who perceive gain from selling other Delta pilots' jobs are given the convenient out of pointing at ALPA National, when in reality ALPA National's role was a ministrative authorization of our bargaining.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
No regional airline has even crammed one down on the Delta MEC, ever.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As much as a change in recognition would bind our management, it would bind our MEC into greater transparency. Our politicians would have to take greater ownership of scope positions and negotiations.
Carl
08-13-2014, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We did not have a joint PWA with Compass.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Neither did Continental and Express, or Ransome and Pan Am.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I am not sure what the advantage to a single MEC might be, but some might say it clouds the issue of "class and craft" should an express carrier seek a merger with a mainline carrier via a petition for Single Transportation System finding.
Carl
08-13-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,
You know better than that. The issue is here, among the Delta pilots and their Representatives. National's not going to refuse to sign a Delta contract. They work for us.
You know better than that. The issue is here, among the Delta pilots and their Representatives. National's not going to refuse to sign a Delta contract. They work for us.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I am optimistic that we are going to improve recognition language through the efforts of our MEC. These men are always working to improve the pay and working conditions of Delta pilots. I have been vocal about the opportunities that I've seen, sure, but I don't know of any other MEC that does it better than we do.
Carl
08-13-2014, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Kindly consider this a response to FTB's point as well.
Just Council 44 is larger than FedEx. We have a highly functional political machine and there is a reason other airlines borrow from the ranks of Delta subject matter experts. We run ALPA; to the extent we want to.
However, those who perceive gain from selling other Delta pilots' jobs are given the convenient out of pointing at ALPA National, when in reality ALPA National's role was a ministrative authorization of our bargaining. No regional airline has even crammed one down on the Delta MEC, ever.
As much as a change in recognition would bind our management, it would bind our MEC into greater transparency. Our politicians would have to take greater ownership of scope positions and negotiations.
Just Council 44 is larger than FedEx. We have a highly functional political machine and there is a reason other airlines borrow from the ranks of Delta subject matter experts. We run ALPA; to the extent we want to.
However, those who perceive gain from selling other Delta pilots' jobs are given the convenient out of pointing at ALPA National, when in reality ALPA National's role was a ministrative authorization of our bargaining. No regional airline has even crammed one down on the Delta MEC, ever.
As much as a change in recognition would bind our management, it would bind our MEC into greater transparency. Our politicians would have to take greater ownership of scope positions and negotiations.
WHICH, is a huge red flag. Kind of like having your daughter bring home this dude...
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08-13-2014, 07:41 PM
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We all saw the fallout from the Captain Happy post here.
I must have missed it. What fallout?
Thanks.
I must have missed it. What fallout?
Thanks.
08-13-2014, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DFW Refugee
We all saw the fallout from the Captain Happy post here.
I must have missed it. What fallout?
Thanks.
I must have missed it. What fallout?
Thanks.
Gotta keep the pimp hand strong...
08-13-2014, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,
I am optimistic that we are going to improve recognition language through the efforts of our MEC. These men are always working to improve the pay and working conditions of Delta pilots. I have been vocal about the opportunities that I've seen, sure, but I don't know of any other MEC that does it better than we do.
I am optimistic that we are going to improve recognition language through the efforts of our MEC. These men are always working to improve the pay and working conditions of Delta pilots. I have been vocal about the opportunities that I've seen, sure, but I don't know of any other MEC that does it better than we do.
08-13-2014, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dtfl
It doesn't matter if we ARE entitles these days for a couple reasons
1- can't get through to Crew Acc. I had to call CPSC, who in turn emailed scheduling, who in turn WALKED the email down to Crew Acc. We need to start complaining LOUDLY about the lack of access to Crew Acc during IROPs.
2- when the schedulers for the Md88 see an FO - they reroute us. No way in h*ll will they let an FO lay over in ATL. We need DALPA to scream loudly to have the company increase the PBS staffing formula for some of our categories.
Also - I suggest we have the company allow us to have "preferences" for domicile layovers like we do for training. Will you need a hotel? Yes or no. Will save some time and stress - with pilots and the crew acc folks
1- can't get through to Crew Acc. I had to call CPSC, who in turn emailed scheduling, who in turn WALKED the email down to Crew Acc. We need to start complaining LOUDLY about the lack of access to Crew Acc during IROPs.
2- when the schedulers for the Md88 see an FO - they reroute us. No way in h*ll will they let an FO lay over in ATL. We need DALPA to scream loudly to have the company increase the PBS staffing formula for some of our categories.
Also - I suggest we have the company allow us to have "preferences" for domicile layovers like we do for training. Will you need a hotel? Yes or no. Will save some time and stress - with pilots and the crew acc folks
08-13-2014, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Yes. Would have given me 80+ hrs.
Denny
Denny
08-13-2014, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Did anybody see the latest weekly update pertaining to domicile layover? It says that pilots are not entitled to a hotel if we get rerouted into a domicle layover. This is incorrect!!
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