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Old 08-17-2014 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
How about some inflation-adjusted comparisons? Why the sandbagging?
I disagree that leaving out the CPI index or some other rate of inflation amounts to sandbagging. None of the other financial metrics shown in the contract history were adjusted for inflation. Further, I am quite capable of adjusting any of those metrics myself in any way I choose.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
That being the case, I certainly hope that you are working to remove your reps from office ASAP, or at least in the next election cycle, and replacing them with those of your fellow pilots (maybe you?) whom you do trust.

The part of ALPA that deals directly with our negotiations and contract enforcement is nothing more and nothing less than those whom we elect to represent us and those whom they then in turn select to do the heavy lifting on our behalf.
I've gone this route before, and all ALPA does is bury you in layers of bureaucratic BS. You basically have to run a political campaign to get anywhere, and good luck with that, because usually, the only people who vote, are the ALPA status quo supporters.

So round and round we go, getting nowhere.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
Didn't we go to "self notification" with the new LOA? They will just put it on your schedule and it is up to you to check and ACK the trip.
The only "self-notification" is for a trip or short call that they place on our line by 1500 on our last X-day. Any other time still requires a phone call from scheduling.

And a reserve pilot no longer has the requirement to acknowledge a trip or short call that's been placed on his line.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
I disagree that leaving out the CPI index or some other rate of inflation amounts to sandbagging. None of the other financial metrics shown in the contract history were adjusted for inflation. Further, I am quite capable of adjusting any of those metrics myself in any way I choose.
Why wouldn't DALPA be doing everything in its power to highlight the loss of buying power since BK?

That whole "shaping the battlefield" thing.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I've gone this route before, and all ALPA does is bury you in layers of bureaucratic BS. You basically have to run a political campaign to get anywhere, and good luck with that, because usually, the only people who vote, are the ALPA status quo supporters.

So round and round we go, getting nowhere.
Numerous discussions with my reps have led me to believe that, while achieving consensus can in fact be quite a cumbersome process, it is quite possible and always worthwhile in the end. And the alternative, that of a dictatorship, is never preferable.

So yes. As with any democracy, there are layers to wade through and you have to be able to bring others around to your point of view to have that perspective carry the day.

I consider that neither BS nor getting nowhere. It is what it is. We can either sit behind our keyboards and wish it were different, or we can stand up and get into the game as our reps have done.
Old 08-17-2014 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Why wouldn't DALPA be doing everything in its power to highlight the loss of buying power since BK?
Perhaps they're wanting at this point simply to give us objective facts from which we can draw our own conclusions?
Old 08-17-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
The assumption is if you don't check it from 1500-2359, fine, but you need to check it by 0000. Of course we no longer have to notify of anything, which was a massive concession IMO. Its unprecedented that we are considered notified now upon first voicemail attempted contact. That was an earth shattering giveaway that will remain forever, long after the higher duty period average goes away during the next crisis or whatever.

I think the company will usually try and notify you, but the logic behind the concessions we gave was that since you can go NORAD for any 10 consecutive hours you want if you haven't got an assignment by then, we shifted the burden of notification to us.
I disagree. The only practical difference between C2K and today is we can now not be used before 1000, rather than 0500 as was the case in C2K. Any flying or short call that reports before noon must still be on our schedule by 1500 the day before and it's still our job to find out about it.

Any other reserve assignment continues to require notification by telephone, unless it is placed on our line prior to block in from our previous rotation.

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Old 08-17-2014 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed
Alan,

Do you think the JV non-compliance should be included in the 2015 contract?

I think it's a stand alone issue, and should be addressed outside of contract negotiations.

What are your thoughts?
I do not. IMO, the MEC should file a grievance on April 1, 2015 and concurrently request expedited arbitration under Section 1 M. This requires that the arbitration be completed within 60 days of filing, i.e., by May 31, and that the Board render its decision within 90 days of filing, i.e., by June 30.

While we may well have exchanged openers by then, I can't imagine that we'll be anywhere close to being through Section 6, and so the two issues can remain completely separate, as they should be.
Old 08-17-2014 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Numerous discussions with my reps have led me to believe that, while achieving consensus can in fact be quite a cumbersome process, it is quite possible and always worthwhile in the end. And the alternative, that of a dictatorship, is never preferable.

So yes. As with any democracy, there are layers to wade through and you have to be able to bring others around to your point of view to have that perspective carry the day.

I consider that neither BS nor getting nowhere. It is what it is. We can either sit behind our keyboards and wish it were different, or we can stand up and get into the game as our reps have done.
Democracy is one of the worst forms of government, it gives rise to factions, and the loss of individual rights. The alternative is not dictatorship, however, a constitution that protects the rights of the union worker. The basic right being, that a union worker should not be able to vote another union worker out of a job.
Old 08-17-2014 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Democracy is one of the worst forms of government, it gives rise to factions, and the loss of individual rights. The alternative is not dictatorship, however, a constitution that protects the rights of the union worker. The basic right being, that a union worker should not be able to vote another union worker out of a job.
If you say so. But how does that relate to whether or not we trust our reps?
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