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Old 08-18-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Sorry to disappoint you, Carl. For the record, I was given nothing. I've been reading about this article for the past day or so and finally decided to read it myself.

What I posted was my own take on what I read. The fact that it disagrees with what you or someone else perceives makes it neither wrong nor right -- simply different.
The fact that your take is different from Carl's makes you ipso facto a "ALPA apologist". Any opinion on this board that doesn't cast ALPA as a dystopian power structure doesn't stand a chance with the ALPA haters. You will forever be considered a paid ALPA plant.
Old 08-18-2014 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
For those who don't already know, the attorney in question is Lee Seham. Lee is a very tough attorney who has beaten ALPA in court many times, and has referred to ALPA national as a wife beater and ALPA members as being the battered spouses.

So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.

Carl
He's also the attorney who's been FIRED by SWAPA, USAPA, and APA. Himself and his firm have never successfully negotiated a positive contract for any pilot group. Plus, he helped bring the B scale to American. Sounds great!!! Carry on Carl.

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Old 08-18-2014 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We should not squander this opportunity. The time for us to improve unity, fragmentation, successorship, work rules, and pay is while times are good. While a focus on pay is critical, it is not more critical than addressing schedules that leave us exhausted and the half of our profession who work their jobs with the constant uncertainty that their express carrier is going to be creatively restructured which will result in the loss of their longevity. ALPA is relevant and we have work to do.
But we will squander it Bar. Bank on it. Moak has all but said so, then RA backed it by stating that labor risk at Delta has been taken completely off the table. We'll codify the JV non-compliance into our new contract, make no scope gains, and have COLA pay raises funded with further reductions in profit sharing. DALPA will call it the greatest of victories, while you and I will be disappointed yet again. Then you'll come out with full support of ALPA as the best way forward...for C2018.

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Old 08-18-2014 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Do you think a divided pilot group (DPA) will result in a higher or lower opener from management.
DPA will not be involved in any way with C2015...except to be used by people like you and shiznit etal as the reason DALPA failed Delta pilots.

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Old 08-18-2014 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
On another note, with the changes in our industry and current world conditions the upcoming wide body aircraft order, IMHO will not only shock us but also amaze us in it's size.
Prognosticate away, give us the deets. I think everyone could stand something positive to argue about for awhile.
Old 08-18-2014 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by index
ALPA is considered about two things. Dues money and being in bed with management.
Originally Posted by johnso29
This post says it all.

If you actually became involved, you'd find out how incorrect you are. The careers that have been saved. The lives that have been saved. It's sad that you don't even know.




If you would ever lower those Pom Poms Johnson, you'd know that index was a distinguished servant in DALPA.

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Old 08-18-2014 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler



If you would ever lower those Pom Poms Johnson, you'd know that index was a distinguished servant in DALPA.

Carl
Is he cheering because you finally got the gopher? Or were you outsmarted yet again? Or is that you cheering TC along?

No one at ALPA is a servant Carl, and I doubt he has ever volunteered for ALPA. If he has, then by making that statement he is being disingenuous at best.
Old 08-18-2014 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
My advice is that I don't think DPA is something a new hire needs to get too closely associated with while still on probation.
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That's funny. Don't get involved with DPA, the group trying to throw out ALPA, until you get off probation and are enjoying the protections provided by ALPA.
That is some rich irony.
Old 08-18-2014 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I despise socialism, and in particular the head socialist clown in the circus.
Me too. We've got that in common.

Originally Posted by tsquare
I wasn't advocating that in the least. And I do not apologize for my compensation. But your "mathematical statement of fact" certainly appeared to me to be saying that the other employees have gotten back to where they were before the BK, and that reaching that level is not as important to them nor as meaningful to them as reaching it is to us. And what I read was EXACTLY flaunting it in their face.

Secondly, if I read that in your post, I can guarantee you that someone else did. If you don't agree, that's your prerogative. I'll bet there are some that do.
I'll have to go back and look at that post when I have more time. But I don't remember anything I wrote that could even remotely be interpreted that way. It certainly isn't what I was saying. I think you read into it what you wanted to read into it.
Old 08-18-2014 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly
That is some rich irony.
No it's not. My "advice" on that has nothing to do with being represented by ALPA or not represented by ALPA. It is simply advice, based on my experience and observations, designed to keep a new hire out of trouble in the first place.

I've seen first hand how management takes a dim view of anyone who is critical of ALPA. Openly supporting DPA is obviously critical of ALPA. I simply don't think that's something that would be smart for a probationary pilot to do at this company. I'm not surprised that some here would try to spin it in an effort to play "gotcha."
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