Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2014 | 01:16 PM
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I hope this is not a sign of things to come from our Virgin Atlantic JV. If so it seems once again very favorable to a much smaller JV partner. Look at all the newly add flights on Virgin metal to the US we add 1 flight JFK-MAN. Please tell me it will get better than this.
Virgin Atlantic drops routes to bolster transatlantic schedule | News | Travel Trade Gazette
Virgin Atlantic drops routes to bolster transatlantic schedule | News | Travel Trade Gazette
09-03-2014 | 01:22 PM
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If I remember right, we negotiated a good contract in 2000 or so.
In 2001, we had 9/11.
We benefitted from the 2000 contract until 2004, despite the change in conditions.
There are normally lags between company performance and employee benefits. I've been okay with that up until now (though the last period of company profitability).
Why would we preemptively assume weak market conditions and settle for less in anticipation (and let the 'lags' only benefit the company)?
Why should we concede profit sharing at all?
The reality is that Delta is profiting and we are as deserving a stakeholder as anyone else.
Don't worry, if conditions change and we start losing money, the company won't be shy about asking for concessions.
The've done it before.
In 2001, we had 9/11.
We benefitted from the 2000 contract until 2004, despite the change in conditions.
There are normally lags between company performance and employee benefits. I've been okay with that up until now (though the last period of company profitability).
Why would we preemptively assume weak market conditions and settle for less in anticipation (and let the 'lags' only benefit the company)?
Why should we concede profit sharing at all?
The reality is that Delta is profiting and we are as deserving a stakeholder as anyone else.
Don't worry, if conditions change and we start losing money, the company won't be shy about asking for concessions.
The've done it before.
09-03-2014 | 01:31 PM
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In iCrew under "Pay/Hours" click on "Pay Statement" and then select the option to "Display in Scroll Box for Printing". Scroll to the bottom.
It doesn't break it down by day. Its per rotation. It shows you your time away from base and your meals. Good luck making sense of the numbers.
09-03-2014 | 01:40 PM
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As to the rest, I agree.
09-03-2014 | 01:45 PM
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Again if tomorrow Delta offered a 14% raise to end the profit sharing we should jump all over it.
I don't know very much about contracts or negotiations, but let me get this straight:
I give up 14% profit sharing for a 14% raise. Isn't my paycheck going to remain basically unchanged?
In this environment, two thoughts come to my mind:
1) Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
2) That is ******ing retarded.
Delta is making record profits and other stakeholders are reaping their rewards. The pilot group has taken huge concessions for the past 10 years to assist in the company's road back to profitability.
Market conditions today anticipate a huge pilot shortage that makes the tickets you hold in your pocket worth much more.
I'll be honest. I don't get that.
Let the profit sharing ride and double 14% as an appropriate opener considering the circumstances.
I don't know very much about contracts or negotiations, but let me get this straight:
I give up 14% profit sharing for a 14% raise. Isn't my paycheck going to remain basically unchanged?
In this environment, two thoughts come to my mind:
1) Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
2) That is ******ing retarded.
Delta is making record profits and other stakeholders are reaping their rewards. The pilot group has taken huge concessions for the past 10 years to assist in the company's road back to profitability.
Market conditions today anticipate a huge pilot shortage that makes the tickets you hold in your pocket worth much more.
I'll be honest. I don't get that.
Let the profit sharing ride and double 14% as an appropriate opener considering the circumstances.
09-03-2014 | 01:45 PM
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Sailing, you can keep saying that you're "only saying blah blah blah", but you're failing to see the point: Your fellow Delta pilots are all telling you how boneheaded your point is. Now if you were onto something that only a genius could put together then I'd think you could make a reasoned argument for the layman to understand. But that's not the case here. Your math is pretty easy to figure out. The average person at this point typically pauses and reviews what they've said to see if they truly meant it. Have you taken this first step, or have you skipped it? Take a moment, collect your thoughts and ponder the idea that perhaps what you've suggested is just plain and simply a bad deal for the Delta pilot.
Got it!
09-03-2014 | 01:54 PM
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Sailing, you can keep saying that you're "only saying blah blah blah", but you're failing to see the point: Your fellow Delta pilots are all telling you how boneheaded your point is. Now if you were onto something that only a genius could put together then I'd think you could make a reasoned argument for the layman to understand. But that's not the case here. Your math is pretty easy to figure out. The average person at this point typically pauses and reviews what they've said to see if they truly meant it. Have you taken this first step, or have you skipped it? Take a moment, collect your thoughts and ponder the idea that perhaps what you've suggested is just plain and simply a bad deal for the Delta pilot.
Got it!
The funny part about this whole thing is when the profit sharing first came out the forum declared it worthless!
09-03-2014 | 01:55 PM
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I don't think the company will ever fully transfer PS money to guaranteed money outside of a broad section 6 though, because they know how powerful an cursory scan of the pay tables can be.
Every other group has been restored to pre BK pay except the pilots. There is no need to help them "hide" any raises until and unless our pay exceeds that at the very least.
09-03-2014 | 01:55 PM
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We give up the 14% profit sharing for a 28% pay raise. (in the context of negotiating the next contract).
When I've got all the cylinders firing, I can understand something like that.
09-03-2014 | 02:01 PM
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OK I can agree with that in principal. However if we try to combine it all in one TA, the entire percentage will be sold as the "raise". If, for example, someone's minumim was 20% on DOS, even if we got that, if 14% of it was PS elimination, it was only a 6% DOS raise if you bifurcate the issue. That's why we should leave it out this time around, and just focus on the raise WRT section 3 (with Section 1 always being the most important) and other sections. Then, after that, we can merely move PS money to guaranteed money.
I don't think the company will ever fully transfer PS money to guaranteed money outside of a broad section 6 though, because they know how powerful an cursory scan of the pay tables can be.
Every other group has been restored to pre BK pay except the pilots. There is no need to help them "hide" any raises until and unless our pay exceeds that at the very least.
I don't think the company will ever fully transfer PS money to guaranteed money outside of a broad section 6 though, because they know how powerful an cursory scan of the pay tables can be.
Every other group has been restored to pre BK pay except the pilots. There is no need to help them "hide" any raises until and unless our pay exceeds that at the very least.
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