Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-25-2014, 06:20 AM
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Newbie Q: Yellow Slipping for Fun & Profit
I can't get through to Crew Scheduling, so I figured I'd try here....
Today, I got denied (i.e., did not get assigned) a YS I'd submitted for three 4-day trips starting tomorrow. Checking the Daily Coverage page, two of them went to pilots senior to me via YS--fair enough. The third, however, went to a pilot senior to me, but via normal reserve processing.
I don't understand this. I've double-checked my work: correct dates/rotation numbers on the YS, I'm in the 4+ days-of-availability bucket, no conflicts, etc. (this is all "as far as I can see," since I'm clearly missing something).
One suspicion I have: due to earlier flying & short calls, I'm in the "Group 2" level of the "4+ Days" bucket. Maybe I don't understand the RUO vs YS process--are assignments made to Group 1 pilots before even looking at a YS from a Group 2 pilot...? If so, YS'ing late in the month kinda sucks....
I've re-read all the applicable §23 stuff, and, frankly, I can read the Notes under §23.S.1.a either way. Thoughts??
Today, I got denied (i.e., did not get assigned) a YS I'd submitted for three 4-day trips starting tomorrow. Checking the Daily Coverage page, two of them went to pilots senior to me via YS--fair enough. The third, however, went to a pilot senior to me, but via normal reserve processing.
I don't understand this. I've double-checked my work: correct dates/rotation numbers on the YS, I'm in the 4+ days-of-availability bucket, no conflicts, etc. (this is all "as far as I can see," since I'm clearly missing something).
One suspicion I have: due to earlier flying & short calls, I'm in the "Group 2" level of the "4+ Days" bucket. Maybe I don't understand the RUO vs YS process--are assignments made to Group 1 pilots before even looking at a YS from a Group 2 pilot...? If so, YS'ing late in the month kinda sucks....
I've re-read all the applicable §23 stuff, and, frankly, I can read the Notes under §23.S.1.a either way. Thoughts??
09-25-2014, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
are assignments made to Group 1 pilots before even looking at a YS from a Group 2 pilot...? If so, YS'ing late in the month kinda sucks....
09-25-2014, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
... since I'm clearly missing something).
...Thoughts??
Check your YS qualifying Min/Max parameters: duty periods, daily legs, calendar days. As well as notification window, red eye definition etc.
Easiest way to see all your specific parameters is to enter a "v" in the little box by your slip request.
Everything I've learned regarding the process has come through trial and error.
09-25-2014, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
Yes they are, and yes it does.
Originally Posted by Cubdrick
Check your YS qualifying Min/Max parameters: duty periods, daily legs, calendar days. As well as notification window, red eye definition etc.
Easiest way to see all your specific parameters is to enter a "v" in the little box by your slip request.
Everything I've learned regarding the process has come through trial and error.
Easiest way to see all your specific parameters is to enter a "v" in the little box by your slip request.
Everything I've learned regarding the process has come through trial and error.
Cubdrick, thanks as well. No issues on my parameters (I don't use any other than "Min Days 02" and "Prefer Earliest Block-In," since my goal is to take any trip that avoids me needing a hotel at ATL). I hear you loud & clear re trial & error--I'll count this issue as my latest example of that!
09-25-2014, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Thank you for contacting me about reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank of the United States. I appreciate hearing from you and am grateful for the opportunity to respond.
The Export-Import Bank is a self-financing, independent government agency that helps to facilitate the sale of American goods overseas and to promote job growth at home. I firmly believe that U.S. goods can compete with any other global competitor's goods on a level playing field. Unfortunately?, our competitors in places such as China and Europe receive substantial assistance from their governments. In most cases, this assistance far outweighs what assistance U.S. businesses receive from the Export-Import Bank. By financing certain goods, I firmly believe the Export-Import Bank helps level the playing field for U.S. exporters to compete in a commercial market where international competitors continue to benefit from aggressive support from their countries' export credit agencies.
In FY2013, 90 percent of the Export-Import Bank's transactions benefited American small businesses. The Bank supported $37.4 billion of U.S. exports across the world, as well as 205,000 American jobs. Over the past five years, the Bank has helped to create and maintain 1.2 American jobs related to U.S. exports. The Export-Import Bank regularly returns money to the U.S. Treasury. In FY2013 alone, the Bank returned $1.1 billion. It is important to note that the default rate on loans backed by the Bank has consistently been less than 2 percent, even during the financial crisis. To fund administrative and program expenses, the Export-Import Bank uses offsetting collections and fees generated from its transactions.
The current authorization for the Export-Import Bank expires on September 30, 2014. The Continuing Resolution, H.J.Res.124, contains a short-term reauthorization of the Export-Import Bank until June 30, 2015. I voted for the resolution to continue funding for the Federal government on September 18, 2014, which passed by a vote of 78-22. While I support this short-term reauthorization of the Bank, I also believe we need certain reforms. These reforms include: easing the environmental requirements placed on those receiving the Bank's financing; ending the Bank's role in subsidizing purchases by foreign government-owned enterprises, including state-owned competitors of U.S. airlines; and directing the Administration to engage other governments to encourage an end to export financing globally. I will keep your thoughts in mind as I work with my colleagues on issues related to international trade that have a direct economic impact on both the state of Georgia and the United States.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.
Sincerely,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator
The Export-Import Bank is a self-financing, independent government agency that helps to facilitate the sale of American goods overseas and to promote job growth at home. I firmly believe that U.S. goods can compete with any other global competitor's goods on a level playing field. Unfortunately?, our competitors in places such as China and Europe receive substantial assistance from their governments. In most cases, this assistance far outweighs what assistance U.S. businesses receive from the Export-Import Bank. By financing certain goods, I firmly believe the Export-Import Bank helps level the playing field for U.S. exporters to compete in a commercial market where international competitors continue to benefit from aggressive support from their countries' export credit agencies.
In FY2013, 90 percent of the Export-Import Bank's transactions benefited American small businesses. The Bank supported $37.4 billion of U.S. exports across the world, as well as 205,000 American jobs. Over the past five years, the Bank has helped to create and maintain 1.2 American jobs related to U.S. exports. The Export-Import Bank regularly returns money to the U.S. Treasury. In FY2013 alone, the Bank returned $1.1 billion. It is important to note that the default rate on loans backed by the Bank has consistently been less than 2 percent, even during the financial crisis. To fund administrative and program expenses, the Export-Import Bank uses offsetting collections and fees generated from its transactions.
The current authorization for the Export-Import Bank expires on September 30, 2014. The Continuing Resolution, H.J.Res.124, contains a short-term reauthorization of the Export-Import Bank until June 30, 2015. I voted for the resolution to continue funding for the Federal government on September 18, 2014, which passed by a vote of 78-22. While I support this short-term reauthorization of the Bank, I also believe we need certain reforms. These reforms include: easing the environmental requirements placed on those receiving the Bank's financing; ending the Bank's role in subsidizing purchases by foreign government-owned enterprises, including state-owned competitors of U.S. airlines; and directing the Administration to engage other governments to encourage an end to export financing globally. I will keep your thoughts in mind as I work with my colleagues on issues related to international trade that have a direct economic impact on both the state of Georgia and the United States.
Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov/ for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.
Sincerely,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator
I like how the corporatists always say ImEx is free market, self financing and profitable, when it would not exist were it not for government action, and we are not allowed to partake. If its so profitable, including us in it to the exact same extent would make it more profitable, right?
Or they could just downsize and stick to the Constitution. Yeah right. Besides, I'm sure they can appoint plenty of activists that will use the trifecta general welfare/interstate commerce clause/supremacy clause sophistry to rubber stamp anything they want.
09-25-2014, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I don't know if I buy what Leahy's saying, but if true he validates the Emirates business model.
Just like the new "just in time" runways for STL, CVG and all those 200 foot tall mega towers and 100 foot tall taj mahal terminals popping up at every airport. Then there's the "Laguardia of the South" over there in Paulding county LOL.
If you build it they will come. Over population is a national resource. Spend our way to prosperity. Weeeeeeeeeeeee.
09-25-2014, 09:50 AM
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The Legend of Reserve
Originally Posted by Jughead135
Alan Shore, thank you--<*sigh*>, not what I wanted to hear. Seems like it kinda defeats the purpose of YS, no? If the "assumption" the system makes is that senior pilots don't want to fly on reserve is correct, this situation appears to violate that (a pilot senior to me, who is "assumed" not to want to fly by virtue of not having a YS to the contrary, got assigned a trip before someone junior [me!] who does want to fly but who is in the wrong Group.... Silly....).
Cubdrick, thanks as well. No issues on my parameters (I don't use any other than "Min Days 02" and "Prefer Earliest Block-In," since my goal is to take any trip that avoids me needing a hotel at ATL). I hear you loud & clear re trial & error--I'll count this issue as my latest example of that!
Cubdrick, thanks as well. No issues on my parameters (I don't use any other than "Min Days 02" and "Prefer Earliest Block-In," since my goal is to take any trip that avoids me needing a hotel at ATL). I hear you loud & clear re trial & error--I'll count this issue as my latest example of that!
Jughead,
Welcome to DAL reserve where:
Half the Pilots think the system goes too far to honor seniority.
Half the Pilots think the system does not honor seniority enough.
The other half (Props to Yogi) think it is just right.
The company would like to fly all pilots roughly evenly to maximize reserve efficiency. Back in the golden days of yore, legend has it that the seniority system allowed just what you tried to do - it honored YS and weighed seniority mightily. So mightily, in fact, that senior Pilots that had the desire to do so would max out and be benched well before the end of the month. This resulted in Pilot shortages toward the end of the month resulting in the company subsequently having to carry more reserves. The company was not happy.
Legend has it that in the "Dark Years," roughly 2004 to 2007, the company changed the system to virtually eliminate all seniority weighing.
The company was happy. The new hires who were hired into this system had no reserve reference point, but seemed happy and gung ho, but the more senior Pilots having slogged through years of being junior on reserve resented the rules being changed just when they were starting to receive some benefit from benefit from them.
Then gradually, slowly, almost imperceptibly the darkness lifted and a new era had begun. The reserve system was changed again this time weighing seniority, not quite as much as the olden days, but much more than in the "Dark Years." The company was happy ( after all it could see the ALV+15 just around the corner) the more senior of the reserve Pilots were mollified to some extent, but now the more junior Pilots were upset. With no reference point except the virtually no weighing of seniority (think Dark Years) they howled out their great disapproval, their clamor amplified by the newfangled inter-web, being wholly disproportionate to their small numbers.
And that is basically where we are now. Think of the reserve system in reference to Goldilocks:
The olden system: This system weighs seniority too much said Goldilocks.
The system in the Dark Years: This system doesn't weigh seniority enough said Goldilocks.
Current system: This system is just right said Goldilocks who then sat down to enjoy the current system but was then mauled and eaten by the Bear known as ALV+15 who had virtually appeared out of no where and had shown up without warning - but that Fellas is an entirely different tale.
Scoop
09-25-2014, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Jughead,
Welcome to DAL reserve where:
Half the Pilots think the system goes too far to honor seniority.
Half the Pilots think the system does not honor seniority enough.
The other half (Props to Yogi) think it is just right.
The company would like to fly all pilots roughly evenly to maximize reserve efficiency. Back in the golden days of yore, legend has it that the seniority system allowed just what you tried to do - it honored YS and weighed seniority mightily. So mightily, in fact, that senior Pilots that had the desire to do so would max out and be benched well before the end of the month. This resulted in Pilot shortages toward the end of the month resulting in the company subsequently having to carry more reserves. The company was not happy.
Legend has it that in the "Dark Years," roughly 2004 to 2007, the company changed the system to virtually eliminate all seniority weighing.
The company was happy. The new hires who were hired into this system had no reserve reference point, but seemed happy and gung ho, but the more senior Pilots having slogged through years of being junior on reserve resented the rules being changed just when they were starting to receive some benefit from benefit from them.
Then gradually, slowly, almost imperceptibly the darkness lifted and a new era had begun. The reserve system was changed again this time weighing seniority, not quite as much as the olden days, but much more than in the "Dark Years." The company was happy ( after all it could see the ALV+15 just around the corner) the more senior of the reserve Pilots were mollified to some extent, but now the more junior Pilots were upset. With no reference point except the virtually no weighing of seniority (think Dark Years) they howled out their great disapproval, their clamor amplified by the newfangled inter-web, being wholly disproportionate to their small numbers.
And that is basically where we are now. Think of the reserve system in reference to Goldilocks:
The olden system: This system weighs seniority too much said Goldilocks.
The system in the Dark Years: This system doesn't weigh seniority enough said Goldilocks.
Current system: This system is just right said Goldilocks who then sat down to enjoy the current system but was then mauled and eaten by the Bear known as ALV+15 who had virtually appeared out of no where and had shown up without warning - but that Fellas is an entirely different tale.
Scoop
Welcome to DAL reserve where:
Half the Pilots think the system goes too far to honor seniority.
Half the Pilots think the system does not honor seniority enough.
The other half (Props to Yogi) think it is just right.
The company would like to fly all pilots roughly evenly to maximize reserve efficiency. Back in the golden days of yore, legend has it that the seniority system allowed just what you tried to do - it honored YS and weighed seniority mightily. So mightily, in fact, that senior Pilots that had the desire to do so would max out and be benched well before the end of the month. This resulted in Pilot shortages toward the end of the month resulting in the company subsequently having to carry more reserves. The company was not happy.
Legend has it that in the "Dark Years," roughly 2004 to 2007, the company changed the system to virtually eliminate all seniority weighing.
The company was happy. The new hires who were hired into this system had no reserve reference point, but seemed happy and gung ho, but the more senior Pilots having slogged through years of being junior on reserve resented the rules being changed just when they were starting to receive some benefit from benefit from them.
Then gradually, slowly, almost imperceptibly the darkness lifted and a new era had begun. The reserve system was changed again this time weighing seniority, not quite as much as the olden days, but much more than in the "Dark Years." The company was happy ( after all it could see the ALV+15 just around the corner) the more senior of the reserve Pilots were mollified to some extent, but now the more junior Pilots were upset. With no reference point except the virtually no weighing of seniority (think Dark Years) they howled out their great disapproval, their clamor amplified by the newfangled inter-web, being wholly disproportionate to their small numbers.
And that is basically where we are now. Think of the reserve system in reference to Goldilocks:
The olden system: This system weighs seniority too much said Goldilocks.
The system in the Dark Years: This system doesn't weigh seniority enough said Goldilocks.
Current system: This system is just right said Goldilocks who then sat down to enjoy the current system but was then mauled and eaten by the Bear known as ALV+15 who had virtually appeared out of no where and had shown up without warning - but that Fellas is an entirely different tale.
Scoop
09-25-2014, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
A true poet, and a truth teller, you are.
Sinca is a close triplet...
09-25-2014, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
The Legend of Reserve
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So, devil's advocate (with the full knowledge that no amount of carping on here will change anything, and preparing to be summarily slapped down as the dumb new guy): wouldn't the RAW value be a better indicator if it took into consideration the amount of time left in the month? It makes no sense, at least in the specific case I cited, to give flying to someone who is presumed not to want it over someone who does, in the same bucket of days, nowhere near ALV (let alone ALV+15), with five days left in the bid period, simply because the one who wanted it had crossed a threshold into another RAW grouping. "Shouldn't" the RAW formula take that into account--something proportional to, say [ALV - (some daily average number) * (number of days left in month)]...?
PS: Got a line for Oct. Less than one full month on Reserve (IOE finished early Sep). Life is good in 717-land from a seniority perspective. Hoping I can hold it going forward and that I don't ever have to spell "YS" again....
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