That sets up a conflict, in my opinion. If only mainline is highly paid, that creates more incentive to management to try to take your flying away. If everyone was highly paid, perhaps there wouldn't be 6000 Delta Connection pilots

 

Yes, I would love for Delta to bring all 76-seat flying to mainline and bring however many guys that takes up to DL wages and benefits. Our pilot group would be closer to 14,000 instead of 12,000 and the threat of losing thousands of more mainline jobs to the 76-100 seat market would be gone. The fact that ALPA or the company will not show us a cost/benefit analysis of having that flying at DCI vs. mainline leads me to believe that it might actually SAVE them money to bring the flying to mainline. I think if we had a fleet of 200+ E-175's, E-190's, and E-195's at mainline the savings would outweigh the costs and headaches of having them at DCI and we could use the power of 14,000 of us to use those savings to restore some of what YOU lost. Or we can let DCI have all of them and shrink down to below 10,000 pilots that are getting paid less than guys at JetBlue.

 

American Airlines Fleet:
608 Total Mainline: 99 737, 124 757s, 73 767s, 47 777s, 0 Airbus now.
285 Total Regional: 39 ATR, 0 Saab 340 now, 25 CRJ700, 206 E135/140/145, 15 E140 from CHQ.

Delta Airlines Fleet:
750 Total Mainline: 80 737, 16 744, 6 742, 180 757, 93 767, 16 777, 126 A319/320, 31 A330, 133 MD89, 69 DC9.
702 Total Delta Connection: 381 CRJ200, 66 CRJ700, 101 CRJ900, 54 E175, 48 S340, 52 E145.

Question, how many of the AA furloughs are TWA, an airline purchased and flushed? IMO, the TWA numbers and situation skew their furlough numbers much like saying we had a $161M loss but a $51M operational profit.

if these numbers are wrong then by all means quote it and change the numbers as appropriate. I didn't include 11 E120s for Skywest, didn't know if that was accurate that they were flying for us.

 

+1

Someone mentioned CAL earlier, CAL has a strong scope in the sense that they limit the number of large RJs. Of course, if you talk to a CAL pilot they say their scope still sucks because of the number of ERJ145s they have running around and as crazy as it sounds there is a legit fear of replacing mainline jobs with very large turboprops. They're not happy at all about the number of Dash 8-400s running around in EWR.



Also, CAL has a weird situation with their 735s. Those are nearly 100 seaters but very inefficient.

 

First of all let me state that I am all for having the 70 and 76 seat flying brought to mainline even if it costs more to do it and I hope it can eventually be done.

But do you really believe what I bolded in your quote? Do you really think the company would pass up a way to save money in this economic evironment? Lastly, if a cost/benefit analysis was done and released that showed it was cheaper to do the flying at DCI, would you believe it or not?

I don't blindly follow the company but I would find it hard to believe they would do this just to spite the pilots. I think their motivation is strictly money (for themselves and the stock holders, in that order).

Denny

 

I'll take a stab at this- primarily speculation from a mgmt standpoint...

The cost/benefit MAY have shown it to be cheaper, but do not forget the value of a whipsaw and keeping flying away from us. It may be cheaper now, but they know we will jump on it and try to snap the payrates and benefits way up in the next contract.

 

This is a total fallacy spreadby the union, and I don't know why. AA's scope did not cause their furloughs.

They bought TWA and cut all that route structure. That "might" have an effect on the amount of furloughs, a bit more than RJ's.... wouldn't you say?

 

The analysis in the current situation, without looking to the future, may or may not be cheaper but I think you make managements case for keeping it separate in your last sentence. It possibly is cheaper now but in the future, after contract negotiations, it will not be. Maybe this is part of their analysis?

Just playing devils advocate here!

Denny

 

Haha, as was I. It is to their benefit to keep them off property. Now where's that castration clamp we can attach to their jibblets so they can't think about the whipsaw......

 

Regarding Cost:

My post from about 3000 back.

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