Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-15-2014 | 09:08 AM
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Whatever. But remember that when those 747s are gone.. they ain't being replaced with anything that pays the same or more. That will meet the definition of "paycut" for many many pilots. If you can reconcile that as being smart, then good for you. I think it's blatantly idiotic, but I'm on my retirement airplane (hopefully) so I couldn't care less if they take paycuts, but there is real potential that they could cause me to take one because they will displace me out of my seat... The attachment of our pay to the revenue generation of the airframe baffles me no end. We do not choose the airplanes, nor how to utilize them. That is a management decision. We push throttles, nothing more. period.
Have at it.
Have at it.
I think the exact same argument could be made for what ever replaces the 747's. What ever it is (787/A350/A330NEO/777-300) it will no doubt be much more fuel efficient, with two less engines.
We need to increase the pay rates on those new, more efficient airplanes and keep pay tied to productivity, not removed from productivity.
10-15-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Whatever. But remember that when those 747s are gone.. they ain't being replaced with anything that pays the same or more. That will meet the definition of "paycut" for many many pilots. If you can reconcile that as being smart, then good for you. I think it's blatantly idiotic, but I'm on my retirement airplane (hopefully) so I couldn't care less if they take paycuts, but there is real potential that they could cause me to take one because they will displace me out of my seat... The attachment of our pay to the revenue generation of the airframe baffles me no end. We do not choose the airplanes, nor how to utilize them. That is a management decision. We push throttles, nothing more. period.
Have at it.
Have at it.
So, while yes the 747 guys might be taking a "pay cut" if they down bid airplanes, if we agree (and you did on an earlier post) that without increasing the costs of the current pilot contract, the fact is they would have never reached that hourly rate in the first place. As a matter of fact, for most, the aircraft that they down bid to will still most likely pay more than the seniority based pay average of $215.
Tell me what it is going to look like with our current contract value. Tell me what it will look like if we then decide to upgauge or down gauge the airline.. Everybody gonna be happy flying an A380 for the same as a 717 if the captain pay is $215?
10-15-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Well, if this thing gets in full swing, would you really want to come to work?
10-15-2014 | 09:35 AM
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Hasn't Nigeria handled their ebola situation? I heard it was more of a facility problem and infrastructure problem in the places where it's out of control.
If so, why are we getting so panicked about this?
Or, should I say, why are our news sources getting so panicked about this?
IMO, they suck.
If so, why are we getting so panicked about this?
Or, should I say, why are our news sources getting so panicked about this?
IMO, they suck.
10-15-2014 | 09:48 AM
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10-15-2014 | 09:51 AM
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From the AMS meeting.
-900 to 950 million in profit sharing
-We had 14c per gallon fuel cost advantage. Losing it however because it was from hedges that are going south fast.
-Domestic mainline fleet count will reach 667 in 2015 up from 594
-NRT was 80% of Orient traffic. Will be down to 50% next year but should stabilize. Beach traffic strong.
-747's losing 150 million a year. Expect 3 to 4 parked each fall until gone. No displacements this year if 25 pilots take ER.
-757 domestic fleet will go down to 76 airframes plus the internationals and 300's. NBA contract not inked but if it happens 10 to 14 more 757's.
-737-900 Very happy with airframe. Very low transcon cost.
-717-pleasant surprise, very reliable.
-off sight 717, 737, 330 training will be required to meet demand.
-decision to shift west coast future feed from 717 to 737. Possible 737 base in SEA.
-330 base bid early 2015 for NYC funded by new airframes.
-left 2500 757 block hours unused in JUL and Aug due to crew shortage. Not enough notice from marketing.
-would like 777 temporary bases to reduce credit.
-SEA airport working hard with us for additional gates and customs facilities.
-additional pilot widebody block hours will be in SEA and JFK. Other bases stable except DTW which may shrink some.
RFP, it was asked that comments stay off the forums however decision should be released 4 to 5 days after BOD meeting.
-900 to 950 million in profit sharing
-We had 14c per gallon fuel cost advantage. Losing it however because it was from hedges that are going south fast.
-Domestic mainline fleet count will reach 667 in 2015 up from 594
-NRT was 80% of Orient traffic. Will be down to 50% next year but should stabilize. Beach traffic strong.
-747's losing 150 million a year. Expect 3 to 4 parked each fall until gone. No displacements this year if 25 pilots take ER.
-757 domestic fleet will go down to 76 airframes plus the internationals and 300's. NBA contract not inked but if it happens 10 to 14 more 757's.
-737-900 Very happy with airframe. Very low transcon cost.
-717-pleasant surprise, very reliable.
-off sight 717, 737, 330 training will be required to meet demand.
-decision to shift west coast future feed from 717 to 737. Possible 737 base in SEA.
-330 base bid early 2015 for NYC funded by new airframes.
-left 2500 757 block hours unused in JUL and Aug due to crew shortage. Not enough notice from marketing.
-would like 777 temporary bases to reduce credit.
-SEA airport working hard with us for additional gates and customs facilities.
-additional pilot widebody block hours will be in SEA and JFK. Other bases stable except DTW which may shrink some.
RFP, it was asked that comments stay off the forums however decision should be released 4 to 5 days after BOD meeting.
How do they avoid displacements from the right seat of the whale?
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10-15-2014 | 09:55 AM
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10-15-2014 | 10:01 AM
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From the AMS meeting.
-900 to 950 million in profit sharing
-We had 14c per gallon fuel cost advantage. Losing it however because it was from hedges that are going south fast.
-Domestic mainline fleet count will reach 667 in 2015 up from 594
-NRT was 80% of Orient traffic. Will be down to 50% next year but should stabilize. Beach traffic strong.
-747's losing 150 million a year. Expect 3 to 4 parked each fall until gone. No displacements this year if 25 pilots take ER.
-757 domestic fleet will go down to 76 airframes plus the internationals and 300's. NBA contract not inked but if it happens 10 to 14 more 757's.
-737-900 Very happy with airframe. Very low transcon cost.
-717-pleasant surprise, very reliable.
-off sight 717, 737, 330 training will be required to meet demand.
-decision to shift west coast future feed from 717 to 737. Possible 737 base in SEA.
-330 base bid early 2015 for NYC funded by new airframes.
-left 2500 757 block hours unused in JUL and Aug due to crew shortage. Not enough notice from marketing.
-would like 777 temporary bases to reduce credit.
-SEA airport working hard with us for additional gates and customs facilities.
-additional pilot widebody block hours will be in SEA and JFK. Other bases stable except DTW which may shrink some.
RFP, it was asked that comments stay off the forums however decision should be released 4 to 5 days after BOD meeting.
-900 to 950 million in profit sharing
-We had 14c per gallon fuel cost advantage. Losing it however because it was from hedges that are going south fast.
-Domestic mainline fleet count will reach 667 in 2015 up from 594
-NRT was 80% of Orient traffic. Will be down to 50% next year but should stabilize. Beach traffic strong.
-747's losing 150 million a year. Expect 3 to 4 parked each fall until gone. No displacements this year if 25 pilots take ER.
-757 domestic fleet will go down to 76 airframes plus the internationals and 300's. NBA contract not inked but if it happens 10 to 14 more 757's.
-737-900 Very happy with airframe. Very low transcon cost.
-717-pleasant surprise, very reliable.
-off sight 717, 737, 330 training will be required to meet demand.
-decision to shift west coast future feed from 717 to 737. Possible 737 base in SEA.
-330 base bid early 2015 for NYC funded by new airframes.
-left 2500 757 block hours unused in JUL and Aug due to crew shortage. Not enough notice from marketing.
-would like 777 temporary bases to reduce credit.
-SEA airport working hard with us for additional gates and customs facilities.
-additional pilot widebody block hours will be in SEA and JFK. Other bases stable except DTW which may shrink some.
RFP, it was asked that comments stay off the forums however decision should be released 4 to 5 days after BOD meeting.
Do you see any growth in Delta pilot/ Delta metal international flying going into 2015 or more code share (ie we don't take ownership of our flying and are international ticket brokers) nonsense?
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10-15-2014 | 10:13 AM
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Maybe the Atlantic market as a whole isn't doing as bad as we've been told after all? Would be great to see Delta step up and get more aggressive. Regarding new markets in China being forged with 787's, the pioneering airline almost always has the advantage. United and AA are doing this now...the so called long, thin routes. Anybody know if Delta has any plans in this regard?
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10-15-2014 | 10:25 AM
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Just so I am reading you correctly, the net increase of 73 airframes will be 717's, 737's and a couple A330's while parking airframes from the 7ER and 747 categories? When you say the fleet will go from 559 to 667 in 2015 are you counting airframes (717's/737's) that have already arrived or from point in time now to 2015?
Do you see any growth in Delta pilot/ Delta metal international flying going into 2015 or more code share (ie we don't take ownership of our flying and are international ticket brokers) nonsense?
Do you see any growth in Delta pilot/ Delta metal international flying going into 2015 or more code share (ie we don't take ownership of our flying and are international ticket brokers) nonsense?
Ed,
They are counting them as the come. I had the same exact numbers form the LAX meeting including a snapshot from sometime 2014 at 614:
Mainline aircraft:
2009 - 594
2014- 614
2015 - 667
AS of 30 September we had the following number of 717s and 737-900s in service:
24 737 -900s in service
40 717s
So it looks the 594 was at or was near a mainline low in 2009, and the 667 number will include all or most of our orders through 2015 less the aircraft that we plan on parking.
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