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Old 01-09-2015 | 07:45 AM
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It seems some folks are surprised the MEC said they will release the C2015 opener. They did the same for C2012 but keep in mind it was extremely vague. Here is what was in our C2012 opener under the compensation section:

• Significantly increase hourly rates of pay
• Provide for retroactive pay and benefits to the amendable date (if necessary)
• Increase international pay and cover all operations outside the 48 contiguous states
• Establish MED pay
• Establish holiday pay
• Improve the Profit Sharing Plan
Old 01-09-2015 | 08:15 AM
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As I look at the Feb schedule, lots of things have changed (largely for the better, IMO & specific to my situation). I also see several situations that make me wonder the following:

Will PBS award a bid for two pairings that, if combined into a single pairing would be legal, but as two separate pairings would not be legal (not enough rest between)?

For example: 2-day trip blocks in at 1000L after a 0730 report to a one-leg duty period; 3-day trip checks-in at 1200L for a one-leg duty period blocking in 1500L. Obviously <10 hours between them (1030 - 1200 = 1.5 hours), so not legal rest. However, plenty of 4-day trips have a 3-hour sit in between two legs for an 8-hour duty day, as this would be if you put the two trips together. Will PBS allow this (in effect "building" a 4-day out of a 2+3 day), or would one or the other trip be denied for legal rest once the first trip is added?
Old 01-09-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
As I look at the Feb schedule, lots of things have changed (largely for the better, IMO & specific to my situation). I also see several situations that make me wonder the following:

Will PBS award a bid for two pairings that, if combined into a single pairing would be legal, but as two separate pairings would not be legal (not enough rest between)?

For example: 2-day trip blocks in at 1000L after a 0730 report to a one-leg duty period; 3-day trip checks-in at 1200L for a one-leg duty period blocking in 1500L. Obviously <10 hours between them (1030 - 1200 = 1.5 hours), so not legal rest. However, plenty of 4-day trips have a 3-hour sit in between two legs for an 8-hour duty day, as this would be if you put the two trips together. Will PBS allow this (in effect "building" a 4-day out of a 2+3 day), or would one or the other trip be denied for legal rest once the first trip is added?
I think you already know the answer to this but NO!
Old 01-09-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by redship
It seems some folks are surprised the MEC said they will release the C2015 opener. They did the same for C2012 but keep in mind it was extremely vague. Here is what was in our C2012 opener under the compensation section:

• Significantly increase hourly rates of pay
• Provide for retroactive pay and benefits to the amendable date (if necessary)
• Increase international pay and cover all operations outside the 48 contiguous states
• Establish MED pay
• Establish holiday pay
• Improve the Profit Sharing Plan
We failed the last 3 goals and decreased profit sharing plan. Why did we sign early again?
Old 01-09-2015 | 08:29 AM
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Any easy way, sans bid packets, to see the 330 destinations?

Thinking about sandbagging again!

I know BOM is gone, but not a fan of Africa flying. Is there a list, particularly JFK departures?
Old 01-09-2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
We failed the last 3 goals and decreased profit sharing plan. Why did we sign early again?
I signed early (voted yes) because the good outweighed the bad IMO. That's all any of us can do as individuals. I'm still happy with my decision, especially since we are now negotiating from a much higher position less than 2.5 years later. Given the historical, glacial pace of Section 6 negotiations we could easily still be talking about C2012. I'm pleased that we aren't. You clearly came to a different decision given the same set of facts and that is fine.

Regarding your post above, do you expect us to get everything we open with?

Does it surprise anyone that management might (probably) want to reduce or eliminate profit sharing? Will they get everything that they open with?

It's called a negotiation for a reason, and it doesn't officially begin for almost another 3 months. Anything else you hear at this point is speculation/rumor mill.
Old 01-09-2015 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
I signed early (voted yes) because the good outweighed the bad IMO. That's all any of us can do as individuals. I'm still happy with my decision, especially since we are now negotiating from a much higher position less than 2.5 years later. Given the historical, glacial pace of Section 6 negotiations we could easily still be talking about C2012. I'm pleased that we aren't. You clearly came to a different decision given the same set of facts and that is fine.

Regarding your post above, do you expect us to get everything we open with?

Does it surprise anyone that management might (probably) want to reduce or eliminate profit sharing? Will they get everything that they open with?

It's called a negotiation for a reason, and it doesn't officially begin for almost another 3 months. Anything else you hear at this point is speculation/rumor mill.
We lose money management wants concessions. We make money management wants concessions. We make massive record profits management wants concessions.

Do concessions make sense in C2015?

I think we have lost our way.
Old 01-09-2015 | 10:52 AM
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Old 01-09-2015 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
As I look at the Feb schedule, lots of things have changed (largely for the better, IMO & specific to my situation). I also see several situations that make me wonder the following:

Will PBS award a bid for two pairings that, if combined into a single pairing would be legal, but as two separate pairings would not be legal (not enough rest between)?

For example: 2-day trip blocks in at 1000L after a 0730 report to a one-leg duty period; 3-day trip checks-in at 1200L for a one-leg duty period blocking in 1500L. Obviously <10 hours between them (1030 - 1200 = 1.5 hours), so not legal rest. However, plenty of 4-day trips have a 3-hour sit in between two legs for an 8-hour duty day, as this would be if you put the two trips together. Will PBS allow this (in effect "building" a 4-day out of a 2+3 day), or would one or the other trip be denied for legal rest once the first trip is added?
You can do this by using the Followed By feature. Trip A followed by trip B. Works as long as the time off and hours are legal. You need the legal rest in between the trips...as though it were a short layover.
Old 01-09-2015 | 11:56 AM
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PBS time between trips is bigger than the FAR 117 minumums. Numbers are posted in the gouge. Domestic it's 12 hrs. minimum release to report.
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