Originally Posted by NERD

All 88A's out except ATL

Originally Posted by RetiredFTS

I am confused with the first paragraph's last sentence. What does it mean "if you don't start duty before 2000..."? If I start a duty period (FDP or SCR) that runs past 2000 Saturday, then I will not have 30 rest in last 168.

Also, ...on my first day of reserve, I got assigned SC at 1100. Did my duty begin at 0000 (no rest comment on schedule) or is the first 11 hours of that first day considered rest?

Originally Posted by LivingTheDream

Seriously? I certainly believe in double checking each other, but this "getting permission" to execute everything is getting ridiculous. With 20-30 years + of experience for each of us, I expect each of us to have "graduate level" flying abilities. (Although I fully realize this "std text/sopa/smac" philosophy is rapidly coming to a theatre near you... Yay! )

I guess I'm a bit of a dinosaur... retirement can't come soon enough.

BTW, my brief into the ATL on a Cavu day is: "Std vmc brief. Any questions?" (How many bazillion times has an ATL pilot flown into ATL? I really don't think I need any more brief than this to be safe. YMMV.)

Originally Posted by Scoop

We would be fools to consider any change in profit sharing (PS).


First off PS is now part of our contract, status quo, so to speak. Why should we have to put it up for consideration at all?

The company may want to decrease it - who cares?

Even if we did decide to monetize it how could we be sure we are getting a good "rate of return?"

PS is growing very quickly so lets enjoy it. If the company wants to drag out C2016 let them - our PS will help minimize the pain. If fuel continues its slide who knows how high PS can go.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the dreaded "Black Swan" (BS) event. Well we have to stop worrying about something we have no control over.

Besides if we do have a BS event everything would be on the table - it would be an all hands on deck to save the company type of deal.
And we know what that means - Labor takes it in the shorts permanently, management takes a temporary hit but that reaps a windfall for "saving the company."

So in reality, if we decide, foolishly in my opinion, to "monetize" PS in order to inoculate ourselves against a BS event we must realize that it would only help for a very limited range of BS event. Too small an event would not matter, too large an event and we get hit with a Force Majeure anway.

So maybe, just maybe, we might get a good rate on monetizing our PS. And then maybe, just maybe, we have a BS event of just the right size magnitude that our profits are permanently affected but the company does not hit the Force Majeure range.

I for one would be willing to take my changes on this.

Dont touch PS!

Scoop - My 2 cents

Originally Posted by Delta1067

Well said. We gave up some PS in C2012. Any reductions to PS should not be any part whatsoever of the upcoming negotiations PERIOD! Fool me once......

Originally Posted by RetiredFTS

It wasn't a permissions issue, it was communicating.

And I've seen the crustiest of the crusties try and build that RNAV visual into the most CAVU day in ATL despite my attempts to persuade him otherwise. Phone call to ATC followed the landing.

Also, our pilot corps is quickly being filled with many without fms experience. So a little extra communications should not be frowned upon. JMO.

R/
FTS

Originally Posted by gzsg

I disagree. The oligopoly with our 3 partners is strong and solid. It would take years to flood the market. All current players understand capacity discipline.

Our economy is hitting it's stride. More than 5 million Americans were hired in September alone. 2.5 million quit to go to higher paying jobs. I could go on and on and on, but the simple fact is demand will keep increasing domestically and we will be wildly profitable for years.

Why lower expectations Sailing? What is your goal? Maybe if Delta makes "one trillion dollars" you and Austin Powers will think we deserve to restore our concessions.

Originally Posted by FIIGMO

Careful, Fixed news crowd can't handle those facts! No matter what, the recovery from W's wreck less economic disaster will never get proper credit. Just better to cloud the issues with Faux agendas.