Originally Posted by Jetnfast (Post 1763339)

So when does the latest AE drop? Rumor is tommorow?? I'm a NH in the 74 person class that just started. Hopefully there is a chance to move west!

Originally Posted by LivingTheDream (Post 1763305)

Seriously? I certainly believe in double checking each other, but this "getting permission" to execute everything is getting ridiculous. With 20-30 years + of experience for each of us, I expect each of us to have "graduate level" flying abilities. (Although I fully realize this "std text/sopa/smac" philosophy is rapidly coming to a theatre near you... Yay! :rolleyes:)

I guess I'm a bit of a dinosaur... retirement can't come soon enough.

BTW, my brief into the ATL on a Cavu day is: "Std vmc brief. Any questions?" (How many bazillion times has an ATL pilot flown into ATL? I really don't think I need any more brief than this to be safe. YMMV.)

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1763268)

This is not a change in plan. I am speaking only of the airframes that were staying in the fleet plan long term. The schedule for the planned retirements on the on the other airframes has not changed.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1763357)

My prediction is that ASAP's will also drive the change back to a more silent cockpit. Constant chatter has been tried before and it leads to the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome whereby important callouts highlighting the non-normal are lost in a sea of normal callouts.

No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.

If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.

Carl

Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1763392)

Two questions folks:

1). What is the QCQ minimum pay? I thought I heard 2 hours but it only shows 1 hour on my pay stub.

2). How come whenever I try and backdoor it asks me for a username and password? Does that mean it isn't ready or am I in the wrong screen.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Brocc15 (Post 1763083)

Hey quick question, those of you that are recommending people are you doing the email AND the airline apps rec or is that looked down upon?

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1763285)

I agree with you. It's constant blah blah blah in the cockpit now. It's numbing. The PM was always expected to be following along with the PF anyway. It was just done in a much more subtle way. As a former mil instructor pilot, my goal was to know exactly what the other guy was doing but not be in his face and I definitely didn't expect him to ask permission before doing his job. Some things yes, but I think we've crossed the line into numerous extraneous exchanges.

Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1763054)

Careful, Fixed news crowd can't handle those facts! No matter what, the recovery from W's wreck less economic disaster will never get proper credit. Just better to cloud the issues with Faux agendas. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1763357)

My prediction is that ASAP's will also drive the change back to a more silent cockpit. Constant chatter has been tried before and it leads to the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome whereby important callouts highlighting the non-normal are lost in a sea of normal callouts.

No matter how well intentioned, procedures and callouts need to be streamlined to make compliance achievable. If they are so numerous that even pilots who want to comply can't get it all correct, it can lead to people throwing up their hands in frustration and stop even trying to comply.

If the average line pilot can't get the procedures and callouts correct on a line check, it's probably not the fault of the line pilot.

Carl

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1763261)

I would wait for it to descend to the high $700s.

Late 2015.

JMHO