Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-21-2015, 12:57 PM
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DPA is dead. Let's get over it and move on.
02-21-2015, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
Thanks.
And now that you mention it, is that published somewhere? Like our contract? Trying to qualify for a mortgage on new hire pay, fun times.
And now that you mention it, is that published somewhere? Like our contract? Trying to qualify for a mortgage on new hire pay, fun times.
02-21-2015, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by F15Cricket
Yup, I freely admit that I am new and therefore ignorant on some issues (sorry to disappoint you, Scamboni!).
I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
You always have educated responses rather than shrill emotionalism some post on here, so I honestly want to learn.
Finally, it still seems like it was a bad statement by a businessman to link terrorism with Middle East airlines ... One thing for one of us to say it here but for a CEO to say it on international TV was either very low SA or very calculated. The probability that it was the latter sparked my comment about "cheap patriotism."
(Sarcasm back on) Having served for 22 years, I came to realise the service wasn't for American companies, but for the American way of life ... Getting the cheapest deal possible!
I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
You always have educated responses rather than shrill emotionalism some post on here, so I honestly want to learn.
Finally, it still seems like it was a bad statement by a businessman to link terrorism with Middle East airlines ... One thing for one of us to say it here but for a CEO to say it on international TV was either very low SA or very calculated. The probability that it was the latter sparked my comment about "cheap patriotism."
(Sarcasm back on) Having served for 22 years, I came to realise the service wasn't for American companies, but for the American way of life ... Getting the cheapest deal possible!
First, why RA would be interviewed by Quest is probably the most disappointing element of this whole discussion.
The CRAF saves the gubbmint money. For profit companies get paid to make their resources available. Resources the gubbmint doesn't have to acquire and maintain. Quid pro quo. Same goes for military charters. Is the issue you have that the government pays for services and those services happen to be airlines? Fwiw, essential air service has been a shrinking program.
During the era of bankruptcies, some airlines did take loans from the government. I honestly don't remember which ones took them, and do believe all of them have already been paid back...I could be wrong. However, those weren't subsidies any more than taking on a mortgage to buy a house is a subsidy.
The ME airlines get giant cash injections, don't have to pay them back and show small profits. Their books aren't open like publicly traded US companies are. There is a quantum level difference between their and our business plans. To what level they get subsidies, I don't know the true number.
It is also my belief that they have far more significant political clout and government insider-ness than our CEOs have. They are buyers of our debt (they own us). One of Bush2's most influential (unofficial) advisors was Bandar Bin Sultan a member of the house of Saud. Although we are not talking about Saudi airlines here. My point is our potential speculations likely only scratch the surface of reality as far as ME political clout goes.
Anyway, RAs comment doesn't link the ME carriers and terrorism. It's being spun that way. His comment linked the region. It reminds me of the firings and controversies surrounding the use of the "N" word which means miserly.
Apology given. Unnecessary to me, but given anyway. The ME carriers are subsidized when they say they aren't and they have the nerve to pretend to be appalled.
02-21-2015, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by F15Cricket
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I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
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02-21-2015, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by F15Cricket
Yup, I freely admit that I am new and therefore ignorant on some issues (sorry to disappoint you, Scamboni!).
I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
You always have educated responses rather than shrill emotionalism some post on here, so I honestly want to learn.
Finally, it still seems like it was a bad statement by a businessman to link terrorism with Middle East airlines ... One thing for one of us to say it here but for a CEO to say it on international TV was either very low SA or very calculated. The probability that it was the latter sparked my comment about "cheap patriotism."
(Sarcasm back on) Having served for 22 years, I came to realise the service wasn't for American companies, but for the American way of life ... Getting the cheapest deal possible!
I do understand CRAF, the importance of US airlines to the US economy, etc. Again, I am honestly trying to learn here (and not being my usual sarcastic, satirical self), but it does seem inconsistent to me for US airlines to take what seems to be government subsides (bankruptcy protections, CRAF, military charters, etc.) but then complain when other airlines get money from their government. Educate me on the difference. Is it that they can have artificially lower prices because of government subsidies? (Similar to companies in bankruptcy that can artificially lower their prices?)
You always have educated responses rather than shrill emotionalism some post on here, so I honestly want to learn.
Finally, it still seems like it was a bad statement by a businessman to link terrorism with Middle East airlines ... One thing for one of us to say it here but for a CEO to say it on international TV was either very low SA or very calculated. The probability that it was the latter sparked my comment about "cheap patriotism."
(Sarcasm back on) Having served for 22 years, I came to realise the service wasn't for American companies, but for the American way of life ... Getting the cheapest deal possible!
02-21-2015, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta 320Driver
Already complaining? Isn't that a little premature? I think there are probably over 10,000 pilots that would like to be in your shoes right now. Unbelievable.
02-21-2015, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
He wasn't complaing. Don't be a douche.
02-21-2015, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta 320Driver
Already complaining? Isn't that a little premature? I think there are probably over 10,000 pilots that would like to be in your shoes right now. Unbelievable.
Nice day.
02-21-2015, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, they don't. Many fraudulent companies passed their independent audits prior to the liquidations. IRS filings are a lot more reliable because of the punishment involved for fraud.
Let's try to stop your attacks on DPA shall we. DPA is not in power, ALPA is. You're claiming a misinterpretation. Fine. Take everything you're claiming above (minus the DPA rhetoric) and show us line by line on the IRS form 990 where what you're alleging is true.
Carl
Let's try to stop your attacks on DPA shall we. DPA is not in power, ALPA is. You're claiming a misinterpretation. Fine. Take everything you're claiming above (minus the DPA rhetoric) and show us line by line on the IRS form 990 where what you're alleging is true.
Carl
The fact that they aren't in power isn't the issue. They are a legal nonprofit union corporation registered federally and in Florida. They have to follow the same rules right now whether they like it or not. Timmy is running around talking to the media and pretending he represents Delta pilots so he has to play the part. Where's the money going? They ask for more money in every update and have stopped saying where they spend it. Guys like who are unhappy sending money to ALPA for everything are blindly sending money to Tim's Crusade. I find that more telling than everything when it comes to motivation.
Why hasn't the DPA uploaded complete finances for 2013, 2014 and 2015? What exemption is the DPA using to not file a 990? Why aren't there any other tax returns for the DPA on their website for the state of Florida and the US? Why hasn't the DPA published the results of the Department of Labor investigation into ALPAs alleged fraudulent 2013 taxes?
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02-21-2015, 02:20 PM
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You know a cramdown deal is imminent if the MEC has started posting under its "hitimefurl" screen name.
Some misdirection, a little hysteria...and away we go.
Some misdirection, a little hysteria...and away we go.
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