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Old 03-11-2015 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
And AA and UAL pay all these aircraft 777 hourly rates. All we need to do is bring the 767 up to 777 rates as well. It's a no brainer given our profits.
Sooooooo, I just want to make sure................This means you are FOR increased pay banding?

I could probably be convinced of increased pay banding but be careful what you wish for.....When the 757/767's were pay banded, the 757 was brought up to the then current 767er rate. Now everyone seems to think it was the other way around.

On a side note, I'm definitely against increased freezes.

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Old 03-11-2015 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Two transcon legs now need 2 captains and 2 FOs. If augmented, some will need one CA and 2 FOs.

I can't imagine the company would do it unless it saved them money and required fewer pilots.
And we all know how much better it is for two pilots to sit in middle seats in coach for 4+ hours, versus the pilots splitting a dedicated international-spec business class seat.

Amazingly we have pilots clamoring for the first and decrying the second.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
And AA and UAL pay all these aircraft 777 hourly rates. All we need to do is bring the 767 up to 777 rates as well. It's a no brainer given our profits.
But that is pay banding... I thought you were against pay banding?
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
It is just that the 767 (non -400) pay 757 pay
This is more shades of what you brought to the DALPA forum. To repeat (again)--in C2K we brought the 757 up to the 767 pay, which had been significantly higher.

The 767-400 pays even more because it was (and still is) a separate category for pay and training purposes.

The real problem was that all the pre-and post BK agreements that eviscerated our pay so much that guys like you never knew or realized that we had actually brought the 757 pay up the way we did.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
The 365 scared me off this AE. Maybe I can join the rest of the rats on the next AE .
What do you mean?

365 is typical boilerplate AE language. If you are waiting on an AE with a strict, immediate conversion window that guarantees you will be trained before any other possible AE ever, you'll be in your current category until you retire or they close it.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Hey quick question....are green slips always given out in seniority order?
Basically a senior guy who has already flown one or two green slips would still be ahead of guys junior to him who haven't flown any green slips in a bid period.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Hey quick question....are green slips always given out in seniority order?
Basically a senior guy who has already flown one or two green slips would still be ahead of guys junior to him who haven't flown any green slips in a bid period.
No. The pilot with least amount of GSs has priority
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Hey quick question....are green slips always given out in seniority order?
Basically a senior guy who has already flown one or two green slips would still be ahead of guys junior to him who haven't flown any green slips in a bid period.
No, once you get a GS you go to the bottom of the list and are now considered junior for GS purposes.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I think we'll see NYC717 or 88A drop to the 3 year mark.
We already have.

Sort of.

It just went to 08, about a month before hiring stopped for that year. It resumed in 10, but only for 300ish pilots. It resumed again for OTS pilots in 14 and into 15 and beyond.

Both the hiring rates per year, and counting only years there actually were hiring, place JR Capt at the 3 year mark. That should hold as long as hiring continues, especially with increasing attrition at the top.
Old 03-11-2015 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Two transcon legs now need 2 captains and 2 FOs. If augmented, some will need one CA and 2 FOs.

I can't imagine the company would do it unless it saved them money and required fewer pilots.
I can imagine that if aircraft utilization numbers went up, it would make money to offset the personnel costs.
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