I really don't see much change..I think anytime you are rerouted it should instantly be time and 1/2 pay..Right now, scheduling uses line holders as reserve pilots to cover open time..14 hours out is a long time! I do not see any real change to the way things are going right now. Scheduling usually gets you back on your original rotation now after doing some extra flying. Maybe I didn't read the email correctly, but these are my thoughts. Just think how much money the company is saving by rerouting pilots. It keeps them from calling someone out on a whiteslip or greenslip.

This is exactly how I read it too. Maybe I'm missing something. 1.5 or 2X pay is how it should be. 14 hours is way too long of a window for this.

03-13-2015 | 07:49 AM

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Disclaimer: I said I'm not a smart man earlier.

The way I read it, is you get the greater of the original rotation or newly constructed rotation + straight pay for all new segments until back on your original rotation.

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03-13-2015 | 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NERD

If the segments were known about 14hrs in advance.

Also, this was a grievance, not a negotiation so the people who are complaining for more than what the contract currently says would surely be disappointed. This appears to be a mechanism to enforce what is already stated in our contract.

03-13-2015 | 07:59 AM

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ATL ILS PRM - what's the trigger?

Is there criterion for when the PRM approaches are running in ATL? Weather? Time of Day?

03-13-2015 | 08:03 AM

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Grievance

It seems to me to be a continuation of the path we have been on the last ten years. Individual pilots get more money but the company gets a more productive pilot force and needs fewer reserves/white/green slips.

We once again trade money for being more efficient. A continuation of choosing money over quality of life. I assume this is the will of the majority of the pilot group. I must be in the minority.

JMHO
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03-13-2015 | 08:09 AM

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Well the way I read the email said that right now the company had to offer open time or GS for any uncovered segment more than 14 hrs off. Sometimes they don't, hence the grievance.
The language is still in the contract, now they must pay in situations where they are willfully breaking the contract for operational concern.

Before, rerouted pilot flew the extra time and just got the higher of their rotation value or the new rotation value, no one was awarded premium pay and no one was the wiser.

Now the company may still try and do that but it will be in essence at least as costly as a WS because the pilot flying now will get more credit on top of his rotation.

This would at least cause more time to go into open time as was originally designed in the contract.

03-13-2015 | 08:10 AM

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The issues I have with the surface after a short usage period is a pretty short list.
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Lack of ball notes on the chart. .

Maybe I'm not understanding which ball notes you are trying to read, but:

I think its actually easier to find them on the Surface than it was on the paper charts.

There's two ways to see them.
You just zoom in to the area where you are crossing the FIR boundary and then you can either 1) click on the little notation icon on the lower left of the screen and a list of notes pops up, or 2) touch the little dark blue "i" on the chart. When you touch the i it usually brings up a box that says "Multiple Objects". Select the FIR/UIR you are entering and then touch "Notes".

03-13-2015 | 08:20 AM

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Before, rerouted pilot flew the extra time and just got the higher of their rotation value or the new rotation value, no one was awarded premium pay and no one was the wiser.

I have received reroute pay before under certain circumstances..Not very often, but occasionally.. Most of the time I had credit in my trip and a reroute results in doing additional flying for free. The big thing is the 14 hour window...That is too far in the future until extra pay is received under this grievance resolution.

03-13-2015 | 08:35 AM

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The big thing is the 14 hour window...That is too far in the future until extra pay is received under this grievance resolution.

I can understand 14 hours. It was not just chosen at random.
The big thing is -- it allows enough time to use a long call reserve.

A couple hours for crew tracking to get things figured out and send the uncovered legs over to crew scheduling and then they have to build a rotation and still get in touch with the reserve >12 hours until report.