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ilinipilot 03-21-2015 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by S3toHerk (Post 1847115)
I speak in jest. I know how it goes with GSs. BTW, I am junior. Both the WS and YS were senior to me, and I have seen a lot of GS#1 go out and was hoping to get mine. I would think one would have the situational awareness to wait to WS or YS when GS are NOT going to be given out, i.e. the trip will go to someone on reserve.

Another thing Is the senior guys don't wait and let their cherry one leg out one leg back trips go to greenies.

Thrust Normal 03-21-2015 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1847131)
I like the idea of "ground pay." It could work like this:

From the time we sign in until the door closes...ground pay.

From block in to closing the hotel room door...ground pay. They can set up a menu option on the VRU...or create an app...or we send a text...when we get to the hotel room to stop the clock on ground pay.

The only question is...how much is "ground pay?" Half the hourly rate? Quarter rate? $25/hr? As long as it's something to disincentivize waiting at the curb for the van, insanely early van times due to station manager laziness, etc.

Basically, the company can now waste our time as much as they want without penalty. It's time to change that. Our time is far more valuable than Delta treats it. When we're doing anything company-related on a trip, we must be on the clock.

I'm not necessarily arguing against it. But that's exactly what credit and rigs do. It does incentivize the company to build productive trips. I don't see the point to make it excessively complex.

S3toHerk 03-21-2015 04:18 PM

My tone is meant to light and half in jest. I know we live in a world where we as pilots for the most part are self serving. No one is looking our for you but you. I don't expect anyone to check reserve coverage for my benefit, but it would just be nice to get a GS everyone once in a while. It can be frustrating to see a possible GS go out on a WS, but that's the game. But it's also the game if I get 1, maybe you can get 2. In the end, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Xmas!

flyallnite 03-21-2015 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1846959)
You must be junior and jealous to make a comment like that..Everything at the airlines is based on senority(as it should be). Also, that statement is not true in all categories. I see GS #3, 4, and 5 almost every month in my category. So the junior guys are getting their share too.

Nope, not junior at all. I guess you didn't read the rest of my post. Are the 3,4 and 5 greenslips in your category going to lineholders? Because we're not talking RES greenslips. Anyway, I'll save you from reading my post again. Go ahead and GS all you want, just don't be giving any guff to anyone who whiteslips.

Purple Drank 03-21-2015 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1847150)
I'm not necessarily arguing against it. But that's exactly what credit and rigs do. It does incentivize the company to build productive trips. I don't see the point to make it excessively complex.

The rig doesn't cover time wasted waiting for pickup or too-early van times in the morning. It doesn't take much to experience 20-30 minutes per day wasted there, and it comes out of our personal layover time, not out of the rig. Those minutes add up. If the company has to pay something for that wasted time, it won't be wasted for long.

forgot to bid 03-21-2015 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1847143)
Another thing Is the senior guys don't wait and let their cherry one leg out one leg back trips go to greenies.

Those might as well be a gs sometimes.

Klondike Bear 03-21-2015 06:25 PM

Anyone know how jetway trades would pay? I know the company isn't going to allow someone to give away the penalty lap and both dudes get 5.15.

Second question if you flew one leg back from a layover and waived the 12hours for the next report, how would that pay?

I am just trying to wrap my head around this.

RockyBoy 03-21-2015 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1847130)
That is a very foolish assertion. No one has a crystal ball regarding trip coverage. I have better things to do than track reserve coverage. If I need/want a WS I'm going to put in for it. If I see low coverage for my base and I withdraw my WS and someone junior or out of base then gets the WS I would have gotten then I just screwed myself over. As someone else mentioned, why GS if no coverage? You should GSWC only. By your greedy GS request you are costing someone a GSWC. How dare you? See how foolish your reasoning is?

If we had a GS availability list similar to the reserve availability list it would be easier to sharpshoot whether a GS or WS request was the better option. We have computers these days that would be able to spit out a list like that. Wouldn't be that hard to do.

AeroCrewSolut 03-21-2015 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1847190)
Anyone know how jetway trades would pay? I know the company isn't going to allow someone to give away the penalty lap and both dudes get 5.15.

Second question if you flew one leg back from a layover and waived the 12hours for the next report, how would that pay?

I am just trying to wrap my head around this.

I am guessing it would be the same setup as the flight attendants. You only get paid for what you pick up.

Sobchak 03-21-2015 08:22 PM


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