What do you think the average Docter, Lawyer, Dentist makes relative to the average Delta pilot?

 

With the 75 hour cap, that is what you got paid. Anything over that went into the "bank", basically an interest free loan to DAL. The beauty of a large bank was vacation month, dropping trips and still coming up with 75. At least that is how I remember it, sorta.

 

Sailing you should've just pm-ed that rather than opening up that can a whoop a$$.

Personally, I like the idea of deferred compensation.

 

I don't think we specify in our contract that trips have to be "well-constructed", that the company would have to comply with. If we want to add something in, we need to discuss what that means, exactly. I think we could conceivably increase the ADG further, or add/modify other parameters. You just need to tell me what those are.

As far as your last trip, I don't know how they could have modified it in a way that changed your departure for your benefit, or the impact on another rotation. I'd have no way to tell.

It is my understanding that the system is trying to design the least amount of credit time. So you need to look at a number of trips to get a sense of the impact of certain changes. Based on what I'm seeing, since FAR 117 + higher ADG incentivizes and permits longer days, that's exactly what we're getting. Logic tells me that this means less commutable options. The latest memo on the 7ER and 73N trips validates it.

 

I took a quick look on the Internet and it looks like the average Delta pilot makes well above the average in all 3 of those professions. In 2013 the average Delta pilot made 180k. Going to be right at 200k in 2014.
Edit: Doctors are close to us ranging from 120k to 250k depending on the practice. Most from 140 to 200k

 

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics - U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (May, 2014)

Lawyer's Mean Annual Wage - $133,470
Lawyer's Median Annual Wage - $114,970

Pilot's Mean Annual Wage - $131,760
Pilot's Median Annual Wage - $118,140

Family & General Practitioner Mean Annual Wage - $186,320
Family & General Practitioner Median Annual Wage - $180,180

** I wouldn't say "well above" Sailing, but the statistics don't show us too far removed.

 

BTW, I don't think anyone specified what a cap might look like. In my mind, it couldn't be lower than the top end of the LCW. Isn't the TLV 79? That would mean a cap of 86:30. Is that really so crazy?

We could even make it TLV + 10, as far as I'm concerned, i.e. get an 89-hour cap back in the contract. With a bow-wave, mind you. That would mean averaging 89-hours throughout the year.

Watch how many guys speak up against it...

 

I know you've brought this up before. It sounds intriguing.

Can you please walk me through the mechanics of it again? How do we make sure it's there when we retire, and doesn't turn into another pension scheme the company can shed in the next downturn?

 

No.

 

Why would we compare ourselves to an attorney, or a doctor anyway? If we were comparing ourselves to either of those, which we shouldn't, we should be compensated proportionally to the certainty of outcome. We should get paid the same as a doctor that almost never loses a patient, or an attorney that wins the vast majority of their cases.

Imagine a doctor @ 99.999999% success rate, or an attorney that could win above 90% of cases. Either one would be paid 7 figures, not 6.