Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1865408)

Yall must be doing fine though, so many rich next door neighbors. :D

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1865345)

This is an interesting side track. To what can you credit "our" high success rate? How many engine failures have you dealt with in your career? (Perhaps we should be cutting checks to P&W or GE) How many real no kidding Cat3 approaches have you flown. (Honeywell?) Had any frozen NDB approaches to minimums lately? (Are they even possible in our modern glass cockpits?) How about Oceanic navigation/communication? Taken any cel shots lately? The newbies today probably won't know what it is to go hours trying to call Shanwick on HF trying to get a position report out. (Position report?)

In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.

I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1865345)

This is an interesting side track. To what can you credit "our" high success rate? How many engine failures have you dealt with in your career? (Perhaps we should be cutting checks to P&W or GE) How many real no kidding Cat3 approaches have you flown. (Honeywell?) Had any frozen NDB approaches to minimums lately? (Are they even possible in our modern glass cockpits?) How about Oceanic navigation/communication? Taken any cel shots lately? The newbies today probably won't know what it is to go hours trying to call Shanwick on HF trying to get a position report out. (Position report?)

In reality, to us, the vast majority of our flying is no more challenging than a bus driver's. To us.

I am not in any way degrading what we do. Far from it. We work in a more dense airport environment than any of those that came before us, but to take credit for success rates and expect compensation based on that metric alone is a very slippery slope indeed.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1864981)

Why would we compare ourselves to an attorney, or a doctor anyway? If we were comparing ourselves to either of those, which we shouldn't, we should be compensated proportionally to the certainty of outcome. We should get paid the same as a doctor that almost never loses a patient, or an attorney that wins the vast majority of their cases.

Imagine a doctor @ 99.999999% success rate, or an attorney that could win above 90% of cases. Either one would be paid 7 figures, not 6.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1865419)

I am routinely impressed with the professionalism of my peers.

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1865402)

On the positive side "Karma" seems to even things out. Twice I passed on a 4 day GS to fulfill social plans, both times I scored

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1865414)

What is even stranger is they all seem to post their income on their mailboxes!

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1865419)

All true. But with thousands of flights every day I would guess that almost daily a DAL crew goes above and beyond in either Headwork or Airmanship and prevents what could have easily been a much worse outcome.

Yes, a lot of things are easier but so is the required and expected level of performance. If we had similar mishap rates as in the days you describe above planes would be falling from the sky weekly.

I am routinely impressed with the professionalism of my peers.

Scoop

Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 1865386)

My next door neighbor is a physician who does nothing but circumcisions. Last year he made $400,000 in tips alone!

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1865428)

For a guy who isn't "in any way degrading what we do", you sure seem to be degrading what we do, with great enthusiasm. What is it about less that you find so attractive?

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1865445)

I am in no way saying anything at all about wanting less. Not at all. Since my argument is lost on you, I'll bow out. Have fun with this.

Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1865441)

Does he have a luggage business on the side? Wallets that turn into briefcases when rubbed?