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Elliot 04-20-2015 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1865160)
Grossly offensive? Is that a real thing?
I now remember why I don't post here - obviously you're another member of the participation trophy, PC police, we're-all-winners generation. Lighten up. What you really are is a buzzkill.

I think your avatar is "grossly offensive" Jughead!! :eek: Does that count? :D

scambo1 04-20-2015 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 1865168)
I think your avatar is "grossly offensive" Jughead!! :eek: Does that count? :D

Jughead don't you change that avatar. Elliot's just bummed he didn't get a little plastic trophy for getting out of bed this morning.:D

Carl Spackler 04-20-2015 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 1865160)
Grossly offensive? Is that a real thing?
I now remember why I don't post here - obviously you're another member of the participation trophy, PC police, we're-all-winners generation. Lighten up. What you really are is a buzzkill.

Buh bye.

Of course it's a real thing you Grossly...Gross...Offensive.....thing!

After I get through driving on this parkway, I'm going to park in my driveway and have some jumbo shrimp for lunch.

Carl

Justdoinmyjob 04-20-2015 06:15 AM

Like2fly2=SNAP

slowplay 04-20-2015 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 1865147)
That sounds about right. Some of these will be part timers (60k) but median and full time would be about 125 - 160 or so. Younger docs starting out without patient base would likely get less unless they are in an underserved area in which they get recruitment bonuses and higher pay.

There is an AME in ATL that retired as a Delta pilot back in 2004. USAFA graduate, 1980 EAL hire, then came to Delta in 1988. In 1993 with the ra the lesser furloughs ongoing he took a leave of absence and went to Med school. Finished up, did his residency as a "hospitalist" and came back to fly while working part time as a doc. In 2004, when he saw bankruptcy and pension termination as the likely outcome, he took his lump sum and became a full time doc. Because he was so young (52) when he retired he gets nothing from the PBGC.

He tells me he regrets the decision to leave.

Last year I made 50% more than him while working far fewer hours.

He has seen his pay per hour decline 35% since 2000 (doc in the box and contract hospital work), plus all his malpractice insurance costs shifted from his employers to him (big numbers). He's working around 61 hours per week (25 flight physicals and 3 12 hour shifts) to make in the low $200's gross. Out of that he's got to pay insurance, office rental, and all his equipment expenses.

This is just one anecdote, but it's from a guy that's been on both sides of the fence. In 2005 I'd have probably liked his view better. Right now I like mine.

Sink r8 04-20-2015 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 1865143)
I didn't perceive any slight. I just think your thoughts are kind of out in left field. You sound like somebody in their early 20's dreaming about how the world should work instead of how it DOES work, no offense, not sure if that is true.

Imagine a pilot that could always grease landings. And he never hit turbulence and always flew at optimal fuel economy speeds and his announcements over the PA were perfect. He'd get whatever he wants in terms of salary, right? See, it sounds just as silly.

Even if this magical doctor were perfect as you say how would he verify / advertise his incredible success rates? Are you saying people would private pay him so he could "set his wages?"

Again, I'm not perceiving a slight, but your post are somewhat fantasy / comically exaggerated. :rolleyes: Wages and salaries are set by general market forces, supply and demand, minimum employers can get somewhat competent people, adding in some influence of collective bargaining and regulation. Unfortunately highly trained individuals like you and me can be exploited in short term, as if your salary were cut by all carriers, what would you do? You'd probably just ride it out - it is difficult and expensive to change careers.

Actually, I'm more like a guy in his fourties that doesn't think it's particularly important to compare his profession to others in order to justify his wages.

IF you're going to do that, I think we pilots need more credit for our high success rate. I didn't elect to use physicians as a comparison, and I don't have that much interest in the idiosyncracies of the profession, but physicians and attorneys were being discussed at the time. I don't think there are any doctors with a near-perfect batting average (how could there be?) but if there were, I suppose they could write their own ticket. You're correct about one thing: this is a theoretical debate, as insurers often set the market.

I think the problem we're having is that you want to have a debate about something other than what I'm actually writing about. I apologize for not fitting your template perfectly.

porpilot 04-20-2015 06:36 AM

Changing schedule
 
I can never get this right. When does the swap board open verses pcs. Basically what r the dates to improve my schedule?

Thanks

GogglesPisano 04-20-2015 06:38 AM

The swapboard is active as soon as schedules are published

PCS runs for next month start at 0700 on the 20th.

GunshipGuy 04-20-2015 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1865110)
We have Delta pilots who will break 500k this year. That does not make it the norm. You have to compare averages. We're about the same as Doctors and well above lawyers and Dentists.

I wonder how guys like Buzz (stagnant generation) feel when they read posts like this about how much "we're" making. I can tell you I'm no where near what my lawyer friends make (fact), nor my dentist (strong assumption). As for doctors, even adding my wife's income (nurse) and multiplying the total times 3 we don't make what they make. Well, family practitioner maybe, but not the endocrinologist we took our son to see, nor the dermatologist, or the doctors my wife works with in the heart cath lab.

And yes, there are a lot of "we want _____" from this contract. That's what you get when you've got 12,000+ members who are each asked what's important to them. That doesn't mean it should be turned against the group as if it's a greedy mob of malcontents.

Elliot 04-20-2015 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1865174)
Jughead don't you change that avatar. Elliot's just bummed he didn't get a little plastic trophy for getting out of bed this morning.:D

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