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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1865110)
We have Delta pilots who will break 500k this year. That does not make it the norm. You have to compare averages. We're about the same as Doctors and well above lawyers and Dentists.
Cardiac and thoracic surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, noninvasive and invasive cardiologists, urologists, gastroenterologists, ophthalmologists and many others all had pay figures above $350,000 and as high as $532,000 (cardiac and thoracic surgeons).1 Neurosurgeons are also among the highest-paid physicians, as their compensation routinely tops $700,000, depending on the employment setting. It's no surprise the lowest-paid physician specialties are all branches of primary care, as has been the trend for many years. Family medicine physicians, internists, pediatricians and hospitalists had some of the lowest median salaries.4 Family medicine physicians had the lowest overall compensation at a tick over $208,000, a 1 percent decrease from 2010. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1865114)
are those doctors and Lawyers we are being compared to the young ones just getting started? If so we need to add regional pilot pay to the numbers.
id say on average we are probably close to but below a family doctor. |
Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 1865101)
So to sum up the last 5 pages: we want commutable, good trips, with a cap/bow wave, with C2K payrates (if only on parity with a doctor's salary), with weekends off, and maybe some sort of bonus to buy a boat or an airplane to keep us above the middle-class scum.
Don't be managing our expectations. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1865114)
are those doctors and Lawyers we are being compared to the young ones just getting started? If so we need to add regional pilot pay to the numbers.
id say on average we are probably close to but below a family doctor. |
Surgeons are in the 250-500K range. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquely...for-doctors-2/
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1865103)
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1865116)
if we are to stay above middle class scum we need a ps that gets a boat and a plane, not OR one or the other. Both.
Don't be managing our expectations. A little bit of humility might go a long way... Even if the above coment was said in jest. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1865105)
I don't know how you perceived any slight being made in my post. I am all for professionals being paid what they deserve, and I see little basis for comparing our respective professions anyway. You're helping make the point.
I'm not familiar with insurance reimbursement rates, and frankly I don't really want to debate them on an airline pilot forum. I'll stipulate to the fact that insurances companies are a gigantic pain, and suppress wages. But I live in a very affluent area, and many providers can afford to be selective about what insurance they accept. Let's just say that if there was an oncologist, or a cardiologist, or even a GP that only lost 1 patient in 100,000,000 he wouldn't need to have any sort of a relationship with Aetna, or UHC, or BCBS. He'd set his wages. In certain specialties, people would probably pay directly, and pay a lot, for an 80%, or 90%, or 99% chance of being cured, depending on the problem and prognosis. Fair enough? Imagine a pilot that could always grease landings. And he never hit turbulence and always flew at optimal fuel economy speeds and his announcements over the PA were perfect. He'd get whatever he wants in terms of salary, right? See, it sounds just as silly. Even if this magical doctor were perfect as you say how would he verify / advertise his incredible success rates? Are you saying people would private pay him so he could "set his wages?" Again, I'm not perceiving a slight, but your post are somewhat fantasy / comically exaggerated. :rolleyes: Wages and salaries are set by general market forces, supply and demand, minimum employers can get somewhat competent people, adding in some influence of collective bargaining and regulation. Unfortunately highly trained individuals like you and me can be exploited in short term, as if your salary were cut by all carriers, what would you do? You'd probably just ride it out - it is difficult and expensive to change careers. |
Originally Posted by like2fly2
(Post 1865142)
I haven't read the entire thread, but the fact that both of you just referred to the middle class as scum is grossly offensive. I would venture to guess that any physician who refers to any of their patients in the same way would not be very successful. Are you one of those captains, or even worse, first officers, who refuses to stand at the cockpit door and thank our passengers?
A little bit of humility might go a long way... Even if the above coment was said in jest. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1865120)
There are lots of numbers on various web sites. The one with the biggest survey pool I could find listed GP's in a range from 60k to 210k with the median at 136k. That was based on a sample group of 636.
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