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Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1865460)

Ha! I finally found the guy that writes LNL76's stuff..........

Ow. That was harsh

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1865341)

Different experiences in life for different people I suppose. My lawyer friends are hard and efficient workers when they work, but enjoy their free time when we hang out on the weekends. One's on his own and is a criminal defense attorney, and the others are together at a firm that does pretty well.

I shared what I have observed as a rebuttal to the argument of "We do better than lawyers, doctors, and dentists." I think we do ourselves a disservice when we try to compare ourselves to other professions. I guess it's a good way to manage expectations. What is it with airline pilots: We're not paid enough, but we sure do have it better than those saps who went to law school or med school, right? Which is it? I don't need to compare myself to someone else to build my ego up. I'm fine with them making more (or less). But I do think I'm worth more for my skill set than what I'm currently paid based on the profits I'm helping produce.

Gif added for emphasis.

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I think we are making the same point. I don't think even lawyers can be compared to each other and definitely not Northeast vs Midwest so why is any one comparing pilots and lawyers/doctors?

Really I just wanted to repost the happiness above

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1865440)

I agree in many respects. The professionalism is very high. And we have a really great group of pilots. But a lot of the performance capabilities of the airplanes take that responsibility out of our hands, or at least decrease the load significantly. Again, I am not diminishing our worth. All I am saying is that I do not think it wise to try and link the ability to go from point A to B successfully to compensation. If you do that, I think you need to rethink the "harshest" environments in which we work, and I got news for ya, it ain't going across the oceans 95% of the time. Once you've done it a few times, it ain't all that hard. It is down in the weeds doing 4 up and downs between ATL and BHM dodging T-storms all day long. (With a newhire or pilot just off IOE).

So are we talking about hazardous duty pay? ;)

I agree with you. but not quite 100% as I will explain below. My personal opinion is the most challenging flying in the system is the NB categories that fly in the Northeast.

Also my personal opinion, WB International flying is by far, not the most challenging.

You mention the performance capabilities of the airplanes and I Agee ..... most of the time. But that very factor, extremely reliable aircraft that greatly enhance situational awareness is what can also cause problems.

We went missed approach last week for wind-shear. Never received a wind-shear alert from the "magic box," the previous aircraft reported no gain/loss of airspeed. The Captain quickly recognized the decreasing airspeed and called for a MA. This is the problem with the great capabilities of modern aircraft - Pilots are inevitably relying more and more on this automation.

What happens when the magic, for whatever reasons does not work? This is the biggest threat today. A whole generation of Pilots has been inculcated to rely unquestioningly on the magic. The magic may work 99.999% of the time but it sure is nice to have a Pilot with a healthy dose of "Skepticism" for that inevitable .001%. :)

Scoop

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1864943)

^^^^^^^^^^^EXACTLY^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And lets not trade pay raises for productivity gains.

Well I think that you need to take work rules and pay rates into consideration at the same time. NWA work rules and pay rates gave me a $1,000 higher gross pay check for the first 2 years under the Delta work rules and higher pay rates. I had to work or be away from home 34 more days the first year and 37 more days the second year to make the same pay check. My hours were exactly the same or within 10 - 20 hours per year. Work rules can be huge in terms of increasing pay. What would my paycheck have been had I worked 34 more days at NWA??? Plus we got time and a half for anything over 80 hours. Not saying that we had a better contract at all, just that we had a few good work rules that improved quality of life. In general, it seems that most everyone focuses on pay rates here, but I'm here to tell you that for me personally time away from home ranks right up there with pay rates. My slogan: MAX pay for MIN time away. However, there have been a lot of changes to deal with the main one being the god awful FAR 117. What a mess that is.:eek: It seems to me a few good work rules would increase the check and may not be so hard for the company to swallow. Who knows??:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1865408)

Yall must be doing fine though, so many rich next door neighbors. :D

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1865414)

What is even stranger is they all seem to post their income on their mailboxes!

Not the same neighborhood, but the same tennis group. And they don't post their incomes so they're either doing really well based on the cars, houses, schools, vacations they take or they're deeply in debt. Based on some of the cases I'm familiar with that they've won I'm going with the former. One's a college classmate who doesn't brag about it, but is comfortable enough to share with me some particulars.

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1865230)

It is important to state which plane and boat. A canoe and an ultralight could be considered fulfilling that requirement.

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(But, truth be told... I want one!!! :D )

Scheduling Question

Scheduling gurus, I have a question:

I'm on reserve. I'm on a GS on my days off. I was on call Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. They have already given me PB days, Tuesday and Wednesday, part of Thursday. Friday is a golden day.

My trip is supposed to get into ATL tonight. JFK is a mess. My GS trip ends in a DH. My duty day has run out and I'm trying to decide whether to extend or call it quits and go to the hotel.

If I call it a day, go to the hotel and DH tomorrow, what happens with my GS? Am I screwing myself? DALPA is closed, so I can't ask them.

Anyone have a remote idea as to the ramifications of extending versus calling it quits on a GS on reserve?

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1865613)

The only thing I know is that a DH only day on GS is only worth the actual block of the DH, not the 5:15 ADG that a normal duty day would bring.

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1865613)

Bingo. I decided to go to the hotel. I'll call Curtis tomorrow. JFK is a mess and getting worse.

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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1865584)

My neighbor, and when I saw neighbor I mean next door, bought their home for $660K, it was listed for $700K. 6200 sq ft. Retired in 2008, making $495K. I saw total compensation of $790K at one point.

All I had to do was go to zillow, see the address of the house (different neighborhood :D cuz I'm still stuck with the middle class scum) but we share a fence, look up the address on the county tax assessor, get the name and do 1 google search of the name and the word compensation. He's in the oil industry.

Freaking scary. But all of these are SEC docs I guess.