Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-23-2015, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
You mean the secret class B they don't give us charts for?
Dumbest reg on the books.
Dumbest reg on the books.
04-23-2015, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
You do know that the confines of the class B and the altitudes of the sectors are on the low chart in Jepp FD pro if you zoom in far enough.
04-23-2015, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dtfl
Yep - and there are many reasons for increased usage of SLOA. FOr one - they track "days lost" vs trip days now so their #s are higher. We were flying higher ALVs and we are an older pilot force.
My wife and I discussed this last night (She is a former HR person). The Co wants to reduce costs but if you are sick you are sick. So how do they reduce "waste and abuse?" BAnk system? Yeah..how would we implement that? I am sure the NWS guys who lost hundreds or thousands in the merger would be happy to start over with a new bank system - not. So do we get 60 hours? Or do they prorate based upon years seniority? Or do they waste numerous man hours computing some formula based upon past SLOA to come up with a bank #? THose all suck in my book.
Reduce the unverified to 75 or 80 hours. That reduces 25% of your "abuse" - translate that into $ and move on.
My wife and I discussed this last night (She is a former HR person). The Co wants to reduce costs but if you are sick you are sick. So how do they reduce "waste and abuse?" BAnk system? Yeah..how would we implement that? I am sure the NWS guys who lost hundreds or thousands in the merger would be happy to start over with a new bank system - not. So do we get 60 hours? Or do they prorate based upon years seniority? Or do they waste numerous man hours computing some formula based upon past SLOA to come up with a bank #? THose all suck in my book.
Reduce the unverified to 75 or 80 hours. That reduces 25% of your "abuse" - translate that into $ and move on.
I don't doubt that sick leave is costing them more money. But in my opinion, the main reason is, at least in my catagory 7ERB in DTW and NYC, they are so short, that every sick call has to be covered by a greenslip. Who's fault is that? Not mine. I didn't decide to put off hiring. I didn't decide not to backfill on the last 8 AE's. Marketing/Crew Resources dropped that ball. Now, because FO's in those bases have been rolling the thunder and making more than Captains everytime someone calls in sick, they want to change our sick time. I don't think so. Well I should say, "I hope not."
Unfortunately, our proactively engaged union seems more eager to help solve the company's self induced problems than they are in getting us the CBA that we deserve during the best environment in my lifetime.
Edit: I re-read my last statement and realized I've been buying into the forum hysteria a little too much. I hope the last 7-8 years of results aren't an indicator of future performance. This contract, in my opinion, is our last chance to really get a good working agreement before the next downturn. I know the industry has changed for the better but I don't think we will see an environment like this again in my lifetime. If we do I was wrong...which is good for us too, but I wish I felt like my union was really trying to capitalize on our current profitability to secure an outstanding contract now, but I don't.
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04-23-2015, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Sorry, I might have missed it. Can you explain again why we'd reduce our unverified sick leave? Thanks.
Just an idea....we keep 75 hours...they get a "bone". If someone is going to be sick they are sick so 2 or 2000 unverified hours don't mean anything to that person
04-23-2015, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy
I am kinda on board with PD. There always have and always will be pilots who will use every minute of SLOA whether they are sick or not. Likewise, lots of folks come to work when they shouldn't and I'm waiting for the new company program to monitor that issue. ...and waiting. Giving 100 unverified was gonna have some cost. Didn't the company ask for it? BTW, I just had to "verify" an illness and found it personally offensive to ask my Doc for a note like a 5th grader. JMO, OFG
04-23-2015, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dtfl
The company wants to "fix" our SLOA policy. How do you think they are going to do that? GO to a bank system or take SLOA away from us.
Just an idea....we keep 75 hours...they get a "bone". If someone is going to be sick they are sick so 2 or 2000 unverified hours don't mean anything to that person
Just an idea....we keep 75 hours...they get a "bone". If someone is going to be sick they are sick so 2 or 2000 unverified hours don't mean anything to that person
04-23-2015, 03:02 PM
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I hope if the TA has changes to sick leave, on the premise that we are calling in sick more than OAL's pilots, that they give us the actual numbers on sick leave from both us and OAL pilots so we can compare and see if its really an issue.
04-23-2015, 03:53 PM
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Managment doesn't like our sick leave so they want to change it.
We don't like that we lost our defined benefit pensions.
They can restore our 60% FAE for the best 12 months and we can talk about sick leave.
When he'll freezes over.
We don't like that we lost our defined benefit pensions.
They can restore our 60% FAE for the best 12 months and we can talk about sick leave.
When he'll freezes over.
04-23-2015, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I'm now good for visual approaches.
Now I wonder what caused that common sense bulletin to come up?
Now I wonder what caused that common sense bulletin to come up?
04-23-2015, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
I immediately mentally recalled my most recent visual approaches for gross buffoonery and couldn't come up with anything that would drive a fleet-wide diaper. Wonder if somebody got a GPWS alert or something getting a little over excited about their visual.
, I'm sticking with "It's your fault.
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